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Post by oldpop2000 on Dec 10, 2016 19:23:58 GMT -6
Well, we know of ships that exhibited the stochastic model and blew up. Hood and a few battlecruisers at Jutland. We know of ships that exhibited the deterministic model meaning that they absorbed hits till they sank. Bismarck, Hiei and Kirishima along with Yamashiro to name a few. I am certain there might have been some that exhibited the hybrid model; they absorbed numerous hits then blew up, I don't remember which ones off the top of my head, you might. So to answer the question, I don't know.
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Post by Airy W on Dec 10, 2016 20:04:22 GMT -6
The Hood would be an example of a critical hit, I thought? Are critical hits in this description JUST knocking out the system and not things like explosions?
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Post by oldpop2000 on Dec 10, 2016 20:12:24 GMT -6
The Hood would be an example of a critical hit, I thought? Are critical hits in this description JUST knocking out the system and not things like explosions? The Hood's hit would be considered a critical hit, that was in fact, catastrophic. You can have critical hits that knock out system but nothing goes boom or if it does, the ship does not sink. I believe the hit on Lion at Jutland could be classed as a critical hit and only the quick action by a RM saved the ship. That's how I interpret this information. I go back to one of the statements in the two pieces that I provided. Modelling damage is very difficult and not an exact science. So, trying to find real life examples of what is modelled, is going to be difficult. I believe that in one of the games that I used to have, rarely did Hood ever blow up. I do not remember how many games I play with Hood and Bismarck, but it rarely blew up. |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Dec 11, 2016 11:22:37 GMT -6
In answer to your question, which I don't have, I am posting another article which actually has tables of Warship and units of thousand pound bomb equivalent quantities. It also has the results. It also has a nice bibliography of books, UR's and articles. www.ima.org.uk/_db/_documents/Larham.pdfOne more document with data is this Wikipedia article - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damage_to_major_ships_at_the_Battle_of_JutlandJust a funny one, In the Carrier Damage from Bombs in the Pacific table, the first ship is spelled wrong; It's Shoho, not soho;  |
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Post by beastro on Dec 12, 2016 11:15:24 GMT -6
The Hood would be an example of a critical hit, I thought? Are critical hits in this description JUST knocking out the system and not things like explosions? and only the quick action by a RM saved the ship. And the one that caused the issue in the first place. As I've read elsewhere, he was fortunate to die and get a VC. Had he lived he'd have been court martialed. |
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Post by ccip on Dec 12, 2016 13:52:03 GMT -6
Another factor to consider: if you are playing a nation which has "cautious" as a national characteristic, they suffer a double points penalty for lost ships.
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Post by HolyDragoon on Dec 12, 2016 15:09:31 GMT -6
and only the quick action by a RM saved the ship. And the one that caused the issue in the first place. As I've read elsewhere, he was fortunate to die and get a VC. Had he lived he'd have been court martialed. I thought the Lion incident was more of the same thing that led to other notable Jutland losses? Of course, getting a scapegoat for a fleet-wide blunder would not surprise me, but still... |
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Post by beastro on Dec 12, 2016 15:51:55 GMT -6
And the one that caused the issue in the first place. As I've read elsewhere, he was fortunate to die and get a VC. Had he lived he'd have been court martialed. I thought the Lion incident was more of the same thing that led to other notable Jutland losses? Of course, getting a scapegoat for a fleet-wide blunder would not surprise me, but still... Pretty much, however the Chief Gunner of Lion pointed the danger out, at least, to Major Harvey and was ignored. He also doubted the guns could keep up with the hastened supply and pushed to do an exercise that proved him right. The crew of Q turret also disliked the idea of taking their shoes off, viewing it as old fashioned. They were shown why after the exercise when the magazine deck was swept and the sweepings laid out in a trail on the ships deck, which instantly ignited at the touch of a match. |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Dec 12, 2016 15:57:14 GMT -6
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