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Post by cnw on Aug 22, 2017 7:58:16 GMT -6
I don't want to use names of real life companies, even defunct ones (in one of the online airline management sims I used to play this used to be an offence that could get your airline deleted without prior warning, and I guess old habits die hard), so I'm going with Humber Estuary Shipbuilding (HES), based in Kingston upon Hull..
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Post by aeson on Aug 22, 2017 17:56:49 GMT -6
Seeing as I have time and there are five players participating as shipyards, I've decided to get things going a little sooner than planned.
Domestic News: January 1900: - Scandal! Naval accountants report ¥1M missing from naval coffers. Minister of the Navy vows reforms, starts by firing accountants. August 1900: - Ching Yuan, ninth member of the Fu Hsing-class of second class cruisers, is laid down after domestic shipyards offer to build her in 21 months. - Chinese government approves technology sharing agreement between a major Chinese arms manufacturer and Russian competitor on recommendation of the Minister of the Navy. - Chinese naval architects say 600t torpedo boat "impractical" and "not suited to Chinese requirements." Commanders of the torpedo boat squadrons decline to comment. - Heng Hai, the eigth Fu Hsing-class cruiser, delayed for unexplained reasons. September 1900: - Problems in delivery of equipment delay work on Ping Hai, second Ning Hai-class first class cruiser. October 1900: - Dowager Empress demands two new battleships; Grand Council responds by slashing naval budget. - Tsao Chiang, the Navy's seventh Fu Hsing-class cruiser, and Tse Hai, the Navy's seventh Cheng Ho-class cruiser, commission into the Navy and begin working up. November 1900: - Fu Ching, the Navy's eigth and final Cheng Ho-class cruiser, begins working up. - British armor manufacturing consortium approaches Chinese government about selling rights to production of Krupp armor; after lengthy negotiations, Chinese manufacturers gain rights for nearly ¥4.5 million. December 1900: - New 6000t naval docks complete; Navy immediately commences work on even larger docks in partnership with Kiangnan Shipyard. - Heng Hai, the navy's eigth Fu Hsing-class cruiser, commissions. - Treasury audit of the Navy finds a further ¥1M missing from naval coffers; Minister of the Navy vows to implement further reforms, fires naval accountants again. January 1901: - Private shipyards unveil new 7000t slipway March 1901: - Ping Hai delivered by American builders - Problems in delivery of equipment delay work on Ching Yuan.
Despite the corruption scandals, the unplanned ninth Fu Hsing-class cruiser, and the budget cuts, the Navy has reserve funds of nearly ¥18.4M in its coffers and a net balance of ¥3.2M/month.
Foreign News: 1900: - America lays down second and third New Jersey-class battleships while France lays down Magenta, first of her class; Great Britain responds by laying down second, third, and fourth Royal Oak-class battleships and three battleships of new 15300t Magnificent class. - Closer to home, Japan lays down third and fourth Itsukushima-class cruisers and lead ship of new Suma class; even so, conservative Japanese newspapers speak of 'cruiser gap' with China. - Also somewhat close to home, Russia lays down fourth Pamyat Azova-class 12,200t first class cruiser and new first class cruiser Varyag. - British 15,500t battleship Royal Oak, first of her class, commissions. No other major warships commission this year, though numerous torpedo boat destroyers and second and third class cruisers enter service with the various powers. 1901: - Japan commissions Yashima (second Fuji-class battleship), lays down new 14,000t battleship Shikishima. USA commissions San Diego-class 13,100t first class cruiser Pittsburgh, lays down new 14,000t battleship California.
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Post by aeson on Aug 22, 2017 18:19:36 GMT -6
First Design Competition, Part 1: B1901A
Her Holiness the Dowager Empress has requested the construction of two new battleships. The Ministry of the Navy therefore requests that all interested shipyards submit designs for a first-class battleship capable of operating in company with the existing Chen Yuen (min 18kn, 19kn preferred) in home waters (minimum range: short) in fair weather (low freeboard acceptable), and be armed with four guns of at least 10" in caliber. First Design Competition, Part 2: B1901B
With an eye to economy, the Navy would also like to see proposals for a coastal battleship or monitor for use in home waters. This ship must be capable of resisting fire from heavy guns and must carry at least two guns of at least 10" caliber or at least four guns of at least 8" caliber (equivalent armaments using lighter guns are acceptable, but will not be preferred), but the Navy places no other restrictions upon its design, though it would be preferred if it were capable of operating in company with the existing Chen Yuen. First Design Competition, Part 3: DD1901A
The Navy would also like to see proposals for a new class of ocean-going torpedo boat destroyers, which must have at least one torpedo tube and at least two 3" or heavier guns. The Navy guarantees that at least two ships will be ordered from the responses generated by the B1901A and B1901B requirements. Ships will be ordered from the D1901A proposals if the Navy has excess funding after placing orders for its new battleships. World tensions are currently low enough that I can order ships from any participating shipyard, though tensions with France (5) and the USA (4) are slightly concerning. Save file: Game4.zip (624.81 KB) Would everyone be okay with getting their proposals in by 17:00GMT on Sunday the 27th of August, or is that too little time? Also, I would prefer no more than one submission per shipyard per part of the competition (so at most one first-class battleship, one coastal battleship, and one destroyer design from each participant).
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Post by parrot on Aug 22, 2017 19:53:25 GMT -6
D1901 The design office of the Kiangnan Shipyard is proud to present our proposal for the possible purchase of new torpedo boat destroyers for the fleet. The previous Sui Ching class was developed with much foreign assistance, but design D1901 is a wholly independent design, based off of its predecessor. Our design team has removed two of the five torpedo tubes, judging such a large number to be unnecessary and unlikely to be fully utilised. This has allowed for a design that is not only faster, but has sufficient seaworthiness and fuel storage to be a properly ocean-going vessel. The main armament remains unchanged, but with ammunition storage increased to a capacity of 200 rounds per gun. Impressively, this design is expected to require nine fewer crew members than its predecessor, and have a modest decrease in construction cost.
We are confident that this affordable and effective domestic design can adequately serve the fleet and act as a constant reminder as to the progress of our experts in the area of shipbuilding, should the decision be made to purchase any torpedo-boat destroyers.
Attachments:D1901.40d (4.96 KB)
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Post by aeson on Aug 22, 2017 20:02:47 GMT -6
parrot : The domestic shipyards of China are actually capable of creating something that meets the revised B1901B coastal battleship requirements, if you want to give it a shot.
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Post by boomboomf22 on Aug 22, 2017 20:11:00 GMT -6
Blohm Und Voss are prepared to offer fine options for all the potential tenders. First Design Competition, Part 1: B1901A
Her Holiness the Dowager Empress has requested the construction of two new battleships. The Ministry of the Navy therefore requests that all interested shipyards submit designs for a first-class battleship capable of operating in company with the existing Chen Yuen (min 18kn, 19kn preferred) in home waters (minimum range: short) in fair weather (low freeboard acceptable), and be armed with four guns of at least 10" in caliber. First Design Competition, Part 2: B1901B
With an eye to economy, the Navy would also like to see proposals for a coastal battleship or monitor for use in home waters. This ship must be capable of resisting fire from heavy guns and must carry at least two guns of at least 10" caliber or at least four guns of at least 8" caliber (equivalent armaments using lighter guns are acceptable, but will not be preferred), but the Navy places no other restrictions upon its design, though it would be preferred if it were capable of operating in company with the existing Chen Yuen. First Design Competition, Part 3: DD1901A
The Navy would also like to see proposals for a new class of ocean-going torpedo boat destroyers, which must have at least one torpedo tube and at least two 3" or heavier guns. B1901AThe Blohm Und Voss B1901A is stoutly armored and well armed, suited to the role of 1st class Battleship desired. True it has short range, but as the Chinese navy has no significant commitments outside of the Mainland we do not foresee this being a problem. The quarters for the crew are most excellent as is fitting such a fine navy. Additionally the large number of anti-torpedo boat guns help to make up for your shortage of proper escort ships. B1901BThe B version is a reduced cost coastal battleship designed to perform the role of fixing the enemy in place until stronger ships can arrive to kill it, thus Armor is the over riding principle. DD1901AOur Large Seagoing Torpedo Boat design is worthy of the fine Chinese empire and Fleet, and is perfectly placed to help rectify the weakness in that type currently experienced by your fleet. We see the role of this ship type at this time is to be a deterrent to light forces of the enemy who follow the weak French School of thought on naval warfare. Thus while it does have a single tube it is more for the purpose of delivering the finishing blow to a crippled enemy vessel than a attack on a mobile fleet of the line.
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Post by boomboomf22 on Aug 22, 2017 20:12:31 GMT -6
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Post by parrot on Aug 22, 2017 20:16:25 GMT -6
parrot : The domestic shipyards of China are actually capable of creating something that meets the revised B1901B coastal battleship requirements, if you want to give it a shot. Huh, fair point. I guess I didn't consider it because I've never done a B that small. I'll give it a go.
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Post by cv10 on Aug 22, 2017 20:28:47 GMT -6
FCM is proud to present it designs for the Consideration of the Imperial Government: Below is our submission Cuirasse-A for the 1901A Contest She is not a radically new design. She has roughly the same speed, belt, and deck armor as the Chen Yuen design. Her 13 inch guns are, in spite of their quality, still better than the 12 inch guns of the previous class, the secondary battery is better protected, and the tertiary guns are of a larger caliber and should be better for sinking torpedo boats. Total Cost is 55,225,000 over 29 months, for 1,904,310 a month.
Below is our submission for the coastal battleship 1901B Contest. The CC-A Design features a pair of 12 inch guns equal in quality to those used in the British and French navies. The secondary battery is lighter than that of a first class battleship, but still packs a punch. The tertiary battery should be sufficient for torpedo-boat defense. The design's main attraction is that it is well armored while still able to keep up with the first class battleships.
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Post by parrot on Aug 22, 2017 20:55:58 GMT -6
B1901BFollowing on from the previous design submitted by Kiangnan Shipyard, we would like to present a proposal for our largest vessel ever designed. Built to the specifications required for the B1901B coastal battleship, this class is low-cost yet capable. With sufficient speed to operate with the Chen Yuen, or independently, the price of this vessel is not excessive considering its role as a coastal vessel. Two twin 8" main guns, eight single-gun 7" turrets, and a dozen 3" guns enable this ship to overcome lighter vessels with ease, give it sufficient power to defeat ships of a similar size, and make it a valuable asset in conjunction with the rest of the fleet in fighting larger enemies. The 7" belt armour is and all other armour on the ship give this design good protection against enemy cruisers without adding unnecessary weight or cost to the project.
We hope that the reasonable price for this ship, which is ideally suited to the given role, will enable to navy to purchase several such vessels.Attachments:B1901.40d (4.43 KB)
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Post by babylon218 on Aug 23, 2017 7:29:29 GMT -6
Still got room for one more shipyard?
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Post by bcoopactual on Aug 23, 2017 7:59:20 GMT -6
Seeing as I have time and there are five players participating as shipyards, I've decided to get things going a little sooner than planned. Domestic News:
October 1900: - Dowager Empress demands two new battleships; Grand Council responds by slashing naval budget. That is not a very helpful council. I really like this domestic and foreign news format, it's succinct but does a good job of describing the events of the turns since the last update. I don't know if that was your idea or not but I thought it was well done.
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Post by archelaos on Aug 23, 2017 8:21:41 GMT -6
Fairfield-Tarnowski Shipbiulding & Engineering (FTS7E) form Fairfield, Scotland would like to present it's designs before almighty Empress!
If there is space for another yard, obviously.
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Post by aeson on Aug 23, 2017 9:56:20 GMT -6
The Imperial Chinese Navy welcomes bids from all interested shipyards.
(More seriously, I think I'll be willing to have up to eight-ish players acting as shipyards; we currently have five, and the two of you will make seven. That being said, Chin China is not a very rich country; in my test game, I ended the game with something like two thirds of the next-lowest naval budget, so please be aware that we are unlikely to order all that many ships in total.)
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Post by babylon218 on Aug 23, 2017 11:38:28 GMT -6
In that case, Krupp-Allington Shipyards (KAW), based out of Konigsberg, Germany, offer our services to the great Empress of the Celestial Empire of China. Our design offers shall follow shortly.
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