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Post by parrot on Sept 5, 2017 1:06:27 GMT -6
BM1906-KThe 1906 Coastal Battleship - Kiangnan Model (BM1906-K) is here submitted for consideration on behalf of the Kiangnan Shipyards. The BM1906-K is amply armed, pushing treaty limitations with four 10" main guns and no less than eight 9" guns, in four double turrets on the wings of the ship. In addition, the tertiary armament - often ignored - has been given proper consideration. As a coastal battleship, and a slow vessel overall it was felt important that this design should be able to decimate any light forces it encounters. To this end, no less than two-dozen 4" guns have been included, which will surely deal a fatal blow to any fast-moving enemies. This is not to say that this design is overly slow, as it has enough power to reach 20kts, matching the Pan Chao. Speed is not the primary concern for a battleship, though: at its thickest, the belt armour of this design is 12", and its deck armour 2", with sufficient coverage at all points of the ship. This ship should pose minimal strain on the logistic network of our fleets: as a coastal ship, its fuel storage is not required to be large; its price is reasonable considering its size; we are confident of the ever-improving abilities of our shipbuilders to construct such a large vessel and deliver it on time; lastly, the estimated crew requirement for this ship is only slightly over 900 men, and as such will not place any undue pressure on our pool of trained sailors.R1906-K
The 1906 Raiding Cruiser - Kiangnan Model (R1906-K) is a vessel truly tailored to the needs of the navy. This vessel is an improvement on the previous Cheng Ho class of cruisers. It is much the same size and cost as its predecessor, while managing to improve upon it. Reducing unnecessary superstructure and a slight reduction in the belt armour has allowed for an extra pair of turrets to be added, and the top speed improved to 24kts. In addition to the already low-cost of the design, we estimate that the initial costs for beginning a series of these ships will be reduced by some 60% due to its relation to the already-constructed Cheng Ho class. Attachments:BM1906-K.40d (4.95 KB)
R1906-K.40d (4.97 KB)
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Post by archelaos on Sept 5, 2017 8:16:54 GMT -6
Would there be room for another shipyard? I believe there are seven at the moment? You can take my slot, I do not have time in the coming week so there is no point to block the slot.
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Post by aeson on Sept 5, 2017 8:29:15 GMT -6
You can take my slot, I do not have time in the coming week so there is no point to block the slot. How much more time do you think you would need? I'm willing to extend the deadline a bit to accommodate people's schedules, if you want to participate. Also, there's not yet a need to speak of giving up slots; eight people, including you and matlef, have expressed interest in participating as shipyards.
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Post by matlef on Sept 5, 2017 10:14:49 GMT -6
The Guangzhou Naval Arsenal would like to present our designs for the BM1906 and R1906 competitions GNA-BM1906a
Our Coastal Battleship is built with an eye towards cost, therefore we decided to go for a smaller, ship that focus on armament and armour. Easily resisting 12 inch gunfire we expect it to be able to resist even the finest of British 14 inch guns on both the belt and the turret as well as deck armour. With a broadside of 5 10" guns as we feel that it is the best option to engage capital ships and that the 4" secondaries are excellent to fend of smaller cruisers, destroyers and torpedo boats. GNA-R1906a
Our cruiser proposal is intended to be an affordable raider for the Imperial Navy. With plenty of space for future upgrading of the fire control as well as free space for converting into minelaying cruisers when it's time as a front line raider is past. With a high speed, long cruising range and reliable engines our designers felt that it was better to be able to escape trouble rather than fight it.
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Post by matlef on Sept 5, 2017 10:16:59 GMT -6
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Post by theexecuter on Sept 5, 2017 11:50:27 GMT -6
A new battleship design competition! Cue the music! www.youtube.com/watch?v=42jnNqBHqnA...rrrrwwppp....what? Coastal design? Cost constraints? Sigh. Our design for the coastal battleship requested: 15,000 tons - medium range Speed: 19 knots Belt armor: 8.5 inches tapering to 2 inches Deck armor: 3 inches tapering to 1.5 inches Conning tower: 9 inches Turret Armor: 9 inch face, 3 inch roof. Casemate armor: 2 inches Guns: 8x10 inch guns, 3 dual turrets (A,V,Y) and two single turrets at midships wing. 24x4 inch guns - these are the most advanced guns the American arsenal of secondaries can provide. Cost: 1.772m for 29 months Our design for the raider requested: 2100 tons - long ranged 24 knot speed - reliable engines Belt armor: 2 inches, tapering to 1 inch Deck armor: 1 inch over citadel Conning tower: 2 inch Turrets: 2 inch face, 1 inch roof Guns: 6x4 inch guns (A,F,G,J,K,Y) with 1500 shells for prolonged cruising. Cost - the low low price of 399k for 18 months BM1906.40d (5.01 KB) R1906.40d (4.39 KB)
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Post by cnw on Sept 6, 2017 10:24:16 GMT -6
The Humber Estuary Shipbuilding Co. presents its entries for the 1906 design competitions. First entry is for the BM1906 specification. Combining reasonable top speed with heavy armor, main armament of three turrets with twin 10" guns and a heavy secondary and tertiary armament, it employs a more conventional hull form for better seakeeping while being a rather inexpensive vessel with a total cost just short of 48 million. Second entry is for the R1906 specification, and boasts a combination of high speed, long range and very reliable engines. Armament is powerful enough to overwhelm usual patrol gunboats and destroyers, and there even is allowance for mines for sea lane denial. All of that for less than 7 million.
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Post by boomboomf22 on Sept 6, 2017 11:10:54 GMT -6
I'll submit some designs for B&V later today
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Post by babylon218 on Sept 6, 2017 18:05:03 GMT -6
Krupp-Allington Werft is prepared to reveal it's 1906 Coastal Monitor: The KM-1906 design offers 6 10" guns situated in 3 twin gun turrets, with the third positioned in the middle of the ship, emulating the older central battery ironclads. This arrangement allows a full 6-gun broadside on both beams. The design also fits 8 8" guns in 4 twin turrets arranged in a lozenge formation around the centre battery, with a further 18 4" guns in the casemate deck. This armament allows the vessel to effectively unleash a wall of fire against any foe, from the largest Battleship to the smallest torpedo boat. The ship has a solid armour scheme, too: a main belt 10" thick tapering to 4" and a deck 2" thick tapering to 1". The superstructure has 8" of armour and the 10" gun houses have the same armour thicknesses as the main hull, with the secondaries armoured to 6" thickness. Finally, the ship has a speed of 19kn, giving it a speed equal to the navy's Chen Yuen. This package combines overwhelming firepower and unbeatable armour plating to provide what we believe is a ship capable of dominating the Asian Seas. The French Navy would be foolish to face off against this vessel, which costs 1.8M marks per month for 29 months. Attachments:Kustenmonitor 1906.40d (4.75 KB)
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Post by babylon218 on Sept 6, 2017 18:16:17 GMT -6
KAW will now present its tender for the raider contract. First, KAW would express its concern that the requirements put forth by the Imperial Chinese Navy have made providing a satisfactory design within the requirements... difficult. The Handlerjager (Trader Hunter) 1906 is a 2,200t cruiser armed with 4 5" guns. As the maximum cost of 600k yuan made a speed superior to modern cruisers virtually unattainable without sacrificing either range or reliability, we have opted to provide the ship with an all-round firing arc of at least 2 guns. 5" guns allows the ship to penetrate the armour of intercepting cruisers, with an eye to causing damage which will allow the raider to escape. The ship is armed with a further 4 3" guns for commerce raiding and supplemental firepower. To save costs, the armament is unarmoured. The belt and conning tower possess 2" armour plate to protect against shell splinters and the deck possesses a modest 1" plate to protect the machinery. The ship's small size precludes the addition of torpedoes. Monthly cost is 425,000 marks for 18 months. Attachments:Handlerjager 1906.40d (4.58 KB)
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Post by boomboomf22 on Sept 6, 2017 19:48:19 GMT -6
Design Competition 3, Part 1: BM1906 The Imperial Chinese Navy feels that a new coastal battleship or monitor is necessary, despite the limitations imposed on such vessels by current treaties. It is therefore requested that interested shipyards will submit proposals for a coastal battleship or monitor with a speed of at least 19kn and a broadside at least equivalent to five 10" guns, with armor sufficient to resist fire from the 12" guns of pre-Treaty battleships. If you want secondary guns to count towards this vessel's broadside, they must be of at least 8" caliber. Design Competition 3, Part 2: R1906 The Imperial Chinese Navy is also growing concerned about the adequacy of its current cruiser forces in pursuit of a guerre de course against a more powerful opponent, and therefore seeks proposals for an inexpensive cruiser capable of protracted overseas deployments in times of war. The Navy regards commodious crew accommodations and reliable engines to be of vital importance to these vessels' ability to fulfill their intended role, does not regard it as necessary for them to be capable of engaging interceptors on equal terms, and requires the construction cost of each vessel to be less than ¥600k/month, but imposes no other restrictions on the design of the vessels. Preference will be given to the least expensive designs. CB1906a Large for a coastal Battleship she is designed to resist both her own guns and pre-treaty 12" guns. She also has a broadside of 8 guns due to the cross deck fire design. R1906a As for the raider we have opted for the fastest and cheapest design we could conceive that would fulfill the needs of your navy.
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Post by boomboomf22 on Sept 6, 2017 19:49:05 GMT -6
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Post by aeson on Sept 7, 2017 14:26:12 GMT -6
I'm not going to have as much time this weekend as I expected so I will be pushing the deadline to the 17th, not that most of you need it.
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Post by aeson on Sept 18, 2017 13:52:31 GMT -6
Congratulations to Blohm und Voss, whose CB1906 proposal was accepted as the Tian Dan, and to Humber Estuary Shipbuilding and Guangzhou Naval Arsenal, from each of whom four raiding cruisers were ordered - Yuan Kai, Wei Ching, Teng Ying Chou, and Fei Ting of the Yuan Kai (GNA-R1906) class, and Yu Yuan, Hu Wei, Chin Ou, and Tse Tien of the Yu Yuan (HES R1906) class. Special mention for the R1906 requirement goes to Blohm und Voss's R1906a proposal, whose 26kn speed and 6x5"+2x4" armament was rather tempting. Special mention for the BM1906 requirement goes to Kiangnan Shipyard's BM1906-K, whose 20kn speed and heavy secondary battery coupled with 12" belt armor earned it the runner-up spot. Overall, all submissions for both requirements were very good. Also, on a positive note for those of you who might be frustrated by treaty limitations: the 15,000t/10" naval armaments limitation treaty has been voided. On a less positive note for cv10, that's because we've provoked a war with France, and unfortunately for everyone else, China doesn't currently have enough funds in the reserve (about ¥3M) or per month (about -¥100k) to make a new design competition immediately worthwhile. However, I can correct that to some degree if I cancel Cheng Kung (second Tian Dan-class battleship) to free up ¥1.8M/month, which was laid down about four months before the war started because the naval limitations treaty had just been extended by four years and I felt like getting another battleship on the way. Fei Ting, the last Yuan Kai-class cruiser, is due to complete in four months (freeing up about ¥270k/month), Tian Dan is due to complete in six months (freeing up about ¥1.5M/month), and Cheng Kung in twenty four months. Political advisors, do you feel that we should cancel Cheng Kung to build up some reserve funds while waiting for Tian Dan and Fei Ting to complete and then issue a new set of requirements, or should we keep Cheng Kung and issue new design requirements a few months after Tian Dan completes? Also, do you feel that we should issue a requirement for a full-fledged dreadnought battleship (China has three centerline turrets, 14"/Q- and 12"/Q- guns, TP1, and a dock limit of 23,000 tons; Germany has three main battery centerline turrets, main battery wing turrets, cross deck fire, and 12"/Q0 guns with a 27,000 ton dock limit; Great Britain has four centerline turrets, main battery wing turrets, cross deck fire, superfiring X turret, 14"/Q- and 12"/Q0 guns, and TP1 on a 26,000t dock limit; and the USA has four centerline turrets, superfiring B and X turrets, main battery wing turrets, cross deck fire, and 13"/Q0 guns on a 25,000t dock limit), or do you feel that our next requirement should be something more likely to see service in the current war, noting that we have Germany as an ally in the war against France? I'll post a full write-up later today (the war just started and the only thing which has happened was a coastal raid where nothing much happened, so there won't be much of interest to report on the war) but here's the save if you want to take a look. Game4.zip (940.88 KB) Also, for any who are interested, the German Fleet as it existed January 1, 1907 (current game turn is April 1908, so the chart's a bit out of date): I will post one of these for each of the powers in the game over the course of this week or as I get around to making them; they will all be for the fleets as they existed 1 January 1907.
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Post by aeson on Sept 18, 2017 20:29:05 GMT -6
Domestic News: April 1906: - Tian Dan ordered from Blohm und Voss, four Yu Yuan third class cruisers ordered from Humber Estuary Shipbuilding, and four Yuan Kai third class cruisers ordered from Guangzhou Naval Arsenal to their proposals in response to the BM1906 and R1906 requirements. - A retiring admiral makes a speech citing Russia as China's most likely enemy, provoking a protest from the Russian Embassy. May 1906: - Our naval attache in Great Britain facilitates the negotiation of a license agreement for the production of 14"/Q- guns by Chinese manufacturers, with the Navy contributing ¥5M towards the setup and licensing costs. June 1906: - A conference of leading Chinese naval architects convened to discuss the merits of three centerline main battery turret configurations such as were presented by the Krupp-Allington Werke, Humber Estuary Shipbuilding, and Clark Family Shipbuilding concludes that such configurations are in fact practical for Chinese domestic shipyards. - Work on Wei Ching, one of the Yuan Kai class cruisers, is delayed by belated equipment deliveries. July 1906: - Tech sharing agreement between Chinese and Russian armaments manufacturers expires and is not renewed; anonymous sources suggest renewal of the agreement stopped by Russian officials due to the ill-advised comments made by a retiring Chinese admiral in April. - Naval architects working for the Bureau of Ships demonstrate working concept for a 700t oceangoing torpedo boat or torpedo boat destroyer; when asked for comment, a spokesman for the Naval Ministry suggested such vessels would be "extravagant" and "superfluous to Chinese requirements." December 1906: - The new 22,000t docks complete; the Navy declines to fund new, larger docks, citing treaty treaty limitations on new construction and the fact that Chinese docks can now handle ships as big as can be handled by several other powers. Anonymous government insiders suggest the Treasury balked at the cost when the Navy already has significant financial commitments in the new cruiser program. - The native inhabitants of the Bismarck Archipelago rebel against their German masters; the Chinese government offers military assistance in suppressing the rebellion. January 1907: - The Chinese Navy purchases technical information regarding the machinery arrangements necessary to allow main battery wing turrets to fire safely over the deck for ¥3M. - The naval minister has announced that work on the Fei Ting of the Yuan Kai class of cruisers is delayed for 'mystifying' reasons. March 1907: - Privately-funded 23,000t dockyards are unveiled at the Guangzhou Naval Arsenal and Kiangnan Shipyard facilities. - The Navy contributes ¥3.5M towards the purchase of technical information on water preheaters for boilers from British companies. - Late deliveries of equipment delay work on Yuan Kai of the Yuan Kai class of cruisers while further 'mysterious' delays affect Fei Ting. April 1907: - A partnership between submarine designers from Guangzhou Naval Arsenal and Kiangnan Shipyard produces a new, longer-ranged variant of the coastal submarine. July 1907: - Tse Tien and Chin Ou of the Yu Yuan class are delivered by Humber Estuary Shipbuilding. - A spokesman for the Naval Ministry makes a speech in which he says that selling Chinese arms to South American states "can only be good for China." August 1907: - Hu Wei of the Yu Yuan class is delivered by Humber Estuary Shipbuilding. September 1907: - Yu Yuan is delivered by Humber Estuary Shipbuilding. - The Naval Ministry approves the purchase of technical information regarding longitudinal framing techniques for use in ship construction from Japanese manufacturers; anonymous sources inside the Navy suggest that the cost was ¥3.6M. October 1907: - Cheng Kung, a second Tian Dan class battleship, is ordered from Blohm und Voss as Tse Tien and Chin Ou finish working up. - Chinese naval architects demonstrate a novel system for protecting large warships from torpedo attack, dismiss hypothetical 900t torpedo boat as 'impractical' and 'prohibitively expensive.' November 1907: - Hu Wei finishes working up. - A naval armaments limitation conference in the Hague agrees to a four-year extension of the current treaty. December 1907: - Yu Yuan finishes working up. - The German ambassador in Peking presents a proposal for an alliance between Germany and China; with the strong urging of the Naval Minister and top Chinese admirals, the alliance is approved. January 1908: - Teng Ying Chou of the Yuan Kai class commissions; during trials, it is determined that the vessel is somewhat overweight. February 1908: - Wei Ching of the Yuan Kai class commissions while further unexplained delays result in postponement of Fei Ting commissioning ceremonies. - The Bureau of Ships purchases steam turbines from Blohm und Voss and Krupp-Allington Werke for evaluation in future warships; Naval Minister announces temporary suspension of work on Cheng Kung. - The Chinese Ambassador in Paris delivers a note to France requesting an explanation for a large concentration of major French warships; the French government replies with a note stating that the vessels are simply on a training exercise and that several of the ships will return to the reserves after the exercise is over. March 1908: - Yuan Kai commissions; during ceremonies, minesweeper Chen Yuan No. 10 could be seen making its way to the breakers' yard and the admiral in charge of the Fujian Fleet was overheard whispering accusations to an aide that the Ministry of the Navy had continually and repeatedly neglected to respond to his requests for sufficient funding for an overhaul of his squadron of minesweepers. - French spies implicated in a theft of technical information on Chinese propulsion machinery; the French Ambassador is presented with a note of protest and promptly returns with a declaration of war, saying that the wording of the Chinese note of protest is an 'affront to French honor and there is no possible recourse save the battlefield." April 1908: - I Hsin, a Cheng Ho class cruiser deployed in the Indian Ocean, reports successful destruction of a coastal installation in the French possession of Djibuti after evading the first class cruiser Dupetit-Thouars and a supporting second class cruiser of the Forbin class, which were encountered on patrol near the target. No damage is claimed to have been inflicted on French warships or to have been sustained by I Hsin. - The Naval Minister announces that the Cheng Ho and Yu Yuan class cruisers will commence trade interdiction operations immediately, with the Yuan Kai cruisers joining in the operations as they finish working up. Yu Yuan and Hu Wei of the Yu Yuan class are ordered to depart for European waters.
Foreign News: 1906 (from April): - Germany, Great Britain, and Russia lay down additional battleships of existing classes; Germany, Great Britain, and the USA each lay down first class cruisers of existing classes while France lays down new first class cruiser Jeanne d'Arc and Japan lays down two first class cruisers of new Izumo class. 1907: - Great Britain lays down another Victorious class battleship while the USA lays down new battleship Illinois; Germany responds with new battleship Deutschland, rumored to be of a type superior to any existing vessel (the game reports the Deutschland as a dreadnought battleship, though I doubt it'll be that impressive since it's designed under treaty limitations restricting it to 10" guns and 16,500t). - Great Britain lays down three additional Berwick-class first class cruisers and two first class cruisers of new Devonshire class while the USA lays down one additional Huron-class first class cruiser and the new first class cruiser Augusta; Russia responds with two first class cruisers of its own, both of the new Latnik class. - The Hague Naval Armaments Limitation Treaty of 1901 is extended by four years. 1908: - The Hague Naval Armaments Limitation Treaty of 1901 is voided by the outbreak of war between France and China.
Political Advisors: In addition to the question of whether to cancel Cheng Kung in favor of other projects now that the Hague Naval Treaty of 1901 has been voided, I'd like to hear opinions on what China's war goals should be. I'm inclined to try for the heaviest reparations I can get rather than going in for colonial possessions, since that'll help China's economy more in the long term, but I've also ordered most of the fleet deployed to Southeast Asia in hopes of getting at least part of French Indochina through an invasion.
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