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Post by archelaos on Sept 1, 2017 2:02:24 GMT -6
Were you blockaded? Your earlier comment about "the French love fleet battles" and the fact that you went down by revolution makes me wonder if you didn't invest enough in your battle fleet. The game will have lots of fleet battles if the AI thinks the odds are in its favor. Yes I was blockaded and that is easy in the game against the Russians. I had at least ten armored cruisers and four heavy cruisers, with at least 10 light cruisers and 20 destroyers and over 15 coastal submarines. It was not a small fleet. However, they can produce all their own food especially from the Ukraine and Byelorussia, oil from Kazakhastan, coal from the Donetz basin plus the Trans-Siberian Railroad to the east with access to China, Mongolia etc. I really don't think blockading Russia can be effective. But that doesn't eliminate the possibility of the people of the nation becoming tired of the war. This is a naval game, not a land based game. But against France I just don't see how France could reach Russia without trampling on the Kaiser's Germany. I don't think that would work either, so I have difficulty in believing that Russia can be and was ever, blockaded. I have studied the Soviet Union in my senior studies in college. But this is just my opinion. I invested a lot in my fleet, building better tin cans, and upgrading whenever possible and building submarines when available. One more thing, that was not mentioned before - Russian economy was very outdated, especially farming. This meant they needed way more people to tend the fields than say Germans or British for the same amount of crops. This in turn meant that when large proportions of farmers were mobilised, surpluses disappeared. What's more, transport was also severely hampered by pulling locomotives from civilian use (and there was deficit even in peace) plus a lot of transport was done in the fashioned way (horse carts) and both men and horses were mobilised for war. Even with France as enemy, you would need to mobilise and transport troops to Baltic States, Black Sea Coast Murmansk and Far East to protect from invasion. All coastal batteries would need to be manned, as well as ships. And if the invasion would no came, those troops would become bored, then restless and finally rebellious, while all the industries they worked before would suffer, and reduce country income.
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Post by theexecuter on Sept 1, 2017 7:19:54 GMT -6
None of those problems are exacerbated by a blockade.
Even without a blockade, the mere fact of the war is the primary causes of the internal disruptions...not a stoppage of trade or maritime transport.
The point that Russia is less effected by blockade still stands.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 1, 2017 7:51:39 GMT -6
The issue with the Russian's was that the country was mostly a mystery to the other Europeans. It was big and many feared its military power but few visited it. This meant that very reliable information was not forthcoming. While she acted like a world power, she was an economic underdeveloped nation as stated in earlier posts. Information shows that the economy was agrarian until the mid-1800's with little industrialization. The government retained medieval elements but even with the growth of industrialization it still lagged behind Western Europe. The key event for the revolution was the defeat at the hands of the Japanese in the Russo-Japanese War. One of the reason's the Czar made peace was because of the unrest in his country and he needed to focus his resources on that problem. The blockade had no perceptible effect on any of these events or actions.
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Post by Airy W on Sept 1, 2017 11:11:30 GMT -6
Your fleet makes perfect sense considering that you are playing as Austria-Hungary. Austria cannot really afford a large battle fleet, and aside from Italy, taking on another power requires the use of a Guerre de Course (if my french naval terminology is right). In a sense, since Austria can be out built by most other nations, light forces, subs, and armored cruisers are a sort of trifecta for trying to win a war. This makes sense for me... I just dont see why it means the obsolete battleships should be kept around. Scrap them and build destroyers or subs! Even without a blockade, the mere fact of the war is the primary causes of the internal disruptions...not a stoppage of trade or maritime transport. Russian bonds, industry and railroads were funded by foreign capital. No just foreigners making direct investments but foreign markets were a crucial source of gold. If there is no return on investment, foreigners wont invest. If there is no trade, Russians cant sell food and raw materials to foreigners to get gold. The vast majority of Russian trade was by water even in 1913 (75%). So a blockade means very little foreign money coming in. All those railways that are being built by foreign capital can't afford to meet their obligations because they have no finance and their main revenue was export freight. The government underwrote their debt. So suddenly a source of revenue becomes another financial drain. Foreign capital was being used to finance land in Russia, without the export market that is gone, along with an important economic mechanism for small landholders and the aristocracy that are buying government bonds. And of course the Russian government was running perpetual deficits financed by foreign debt so now they need to be paying junk bond rates just to pay for that. The result of this would be exploding deficits and a currency losing it's value which is exactly what happened in WWI! Soldiers dont like it when they aren't paid. Rural farmers dont like it when they can't sell their goods. So no, it wasn't just all the soldiers leaving for war that caused the Russian Revolution.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 1, 2017 12:12:35 GMT -6
Your fleet makes perfect sense considering that you are playing as Austria-Hungary. Austria cannot really afford a large battle fleet, and aside from Italy, taking on another power requires the use of a Guerre de Course (if my french naval terminology is right). In a sense, since Austria can be out built by most other nations, light forces, subs, and armored cruisers are a sort of trifecta for trying to win a war. This makes sense for me... I just dont see why it means the obsolete battleships should be kept around. Scrap them and build destroyers or subs! Even without a blockade, the mere fact of the war is the primary causes of the internal disruptions...not a stoppage of trade or maritime transport. Russian bonds, industry and railroads were funded by foreign capital. No just foreigners making direct investments but foreign markets were a crucial source of gold. If there is no return on investment, foreigners wont invest. If there is no trade, Russians cant sell food and raw materials to foreigners to get gold. The vast majority of Russian trade was by water even in 1913 (75%). So a blockade means very little foreign money coming in. All those railways that are being built by foreign capital can't afford to meet their obligations because they have no finance and their main revenue was export freight. The government underwrote their debt. So suddenly a source of revenue becomes another financial drain. Foreign capital was being used to finance land in Russia, without the export market that is gone, along with an important economic mechanism for small landholders and the aristocracy that are buying government bonds. And of course the Russian government was running perpetual deficits financed by foreign debt so now they need to be paying junk bond rates just to pay for that. The result of this would be exploding deficits and a currency losing it's value which is exactly what happened in WWI! Soldiers dont like it when they aren't paid. Rural farmers dont like it when they can't sell their goods. So no, it wasn't just all the soldiers leaving for war that caused the Russian Revolution. We tend to look back on that era as being somewhat primitive but in fact, inter-bank operations had been going on for a long time, this is when globalization actually began with the likes of Andrew Carnegie, John D. Rockefeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt and the Rothschilds, just name a few. Being an agrarian economy even at this late date, the Russians were not affected by the blockade but the lack of inter-bank operations affected all the nations of the world.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 2, 2017 14:32:23 GMT -6
Well, here it is Saturday. I am now listening to Sleeping Music while playing RTW as Spain. Espana you say. Yup, Espana. (Relax, I know it needs a tilde) First business is to replace the cramped tin cans with new ones. - Done Second business is to build some minesweepers - Done Third business is to move more ships to the Med - WHAT, MY TWO MAIN PORTS ARE ON MEDITERRANEAN SEA. I have sixteen ports on the Med. Something is not right. Fourth business is to replace the armored cruisers that are cramped - Done Fifth Business is to build some coastal submarines - Done Great, no wars and its 1910. I did reinforce the Caribbean. Can't trust the Rebels. I just moved three destroyers to Southeast Asia, why I don't know. I now going to build some 900 ton tin cans, again I don't know, seems like a neat idea. Oh great, now I have to manage the Dominican Republic. Ich! I wish this game would allow me to give them their independence or sell them to the Rebels, that will teach them. Signing off now.... darn this music is making me sleepy.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 2, 2017 14:53:46 GMT -6
Hey Guys, the old fella wants to venture into building his own country. I was thinking about Ireland maybe, Norway or maybe Egypt. How do I proceed?
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 2, 2017 15:28:38 GMT -6
Ok, I gotta tell you about this one. A rebellion has broken out in New Zealand. Where you say? That's right, New Zealand. What will the AI think of next.
June 1915, and no war. Knock's on his desk(it's made of wood)
Currently building my first battle-cruiser. I wonder where Francisco Franco is hiding. The little scoundrel has to be somewhere.
I decided to change my name in the Espana game to El Cid Compeador.... sounds kinda neat.
Update on the New Zealand rebellion. Great Britain crushed it. Sorry for the Maori's.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 2, 2017 17:11:49 GMT -6
Here we go again. The PM wants me to deploy more ships to Med. I can't you idiot, much of my fleet is already on the Med. Who elected this idiot? Briefing time again.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 2, 2017 18:39:18 GMT -6
Update on Espana.
Well I fought my first war in 1922, not bad. It was interesting, my medium range submarines held the day, their government collapsed and I got Guantanamo Bay (big deal).
The time is now August 1923 This war exemplified my focus on guerre de course. It was my submarines and tin cans that did the job.
To the Spanish Fleet, great job gentlemen.
Game over and well played.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Sept 2, 2017 22:40:15 GMT -6
Ok, I gotta tell you about this one. A rebellion has broken out in New Zealand. Where you say? That's right, New Zealand. What will the AI think of next. ... Update on the New Zealand rebellion. Great Britain crushed it. Sorry for the Maori's. That happened in my PLC AAR too, and then 7 years to the month after England lost it they re-took it. Pretty weird!
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Post by cv10 on Sept 2, 2017 22:47:31 GMT -6
Hey Guys, the old fella wants to venture into building his own country. I was thinking about Ireland maybe, Norway or maybe Egypt. How do I proceed? I'd go with Egypt or Ireland, as both exist in the mapdata file: During the production (ongoing) of my Netherlands mod, I found that creating new possessions and getting them to work right is the biggest pain in the bottom. Egypt is the most plausible one, historically speaking (semi-independent part of the Ottoman Empire, though dominated by the British after a while), plus you've got Italy and Austria (I'd also throw in Spain) as possible enemies. With Ireland, all of the nations in Northern Europe could probably drastically outbuild Ireland (depending on how much money you give it). Building a country is a crazy/frustrating/incredibly fun process! Good luck!
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 3, 2017 11:05:56 GMT -6
Hey Guys, the old fella wants to venture into building his own country. I was thinking about Ireland maybe, Norway or maybe Egypt. How do I proceed? I'd go with Egypt or Ireland, as both exist in the mapdata file: During the production (ongoing) of my Netherlands mod, I found that creating new possessions and getting them to work right is the biggest pain in the bottom. Egypt is the most plausible one, historically speaking (semi-independent part of the Ottoman Empire, though dominated by the British after a while), plus you've got Italy and Austria (I'd also throw in Spain) as possible enemies. With Ireland, all of the nations in Northern Europe could probably drastically outbuild Ireland (depending on how much money you give it). Building a country is a crazy/frustrating/incredibly fun process! Good luck! Thanks for the suggestions and inputs. I will probably go for Egypt. I was considering Iceland.... Vikings through and through.
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Post by Enderminion on Sept 3, 2017 17:17:49 GMT -6
I'd go with Egypt or Ireland, as both exist in the mapdata file: During the production (ongoing) of my Netherlands mod, I found that creating new possessions and getting them to work right is the biggest pain in the bottom. Egypt is the most plausible one, historically speaking (semi-independent part of the Ottoman Empire, though dominated by the British after a while), plus you've got Italy and Austria (I'd also throw in Spain) as possible enemies. With Ireland, all of the nations in Northern Europe could probably drastically outbuild Ireland (depending on how much money you give it). Building a country is a crazy/frustrating/incredibly fun process! Good luck! Thanks for the suggestions and inputs. I will probably go for Egypt. I was considering Iceland.... Vikings through and through. that's like, mostly Sweaden and like Norway, and the rest of the Kalmar Union
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 4, 2017 13:45:15 GMT -6
I just wanted everyone to know that using the Windows 10 virtual desktop which is available through the task view button on the taskbar or using the keyboard shortcut Windows 10 logo key + Ctrl +D will add a virtual desktop for you. you can create a second desktop or more and run a second RTW on it. To switch faster, just hit the windows key, ctrl then either the right or left arrow buttons to switch between the two. Enjoy I forgot this one - Windows 10 keyboard shortcuts - support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12445/windows-keyboard-shortcuts
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