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Post by oldpop2000 on Jan 7, 2019 12:29:51 GMT -6
I know, I know. When is he ever going to stop with "The March of XXX". Well, I don't know, but with the advent of wireless radios, radar, IFF, countermeasures became a must. Believe me, our height finder radar had more countermeasure on it than could believe. So, let's talk about how to stop or dissuade electronics. The idea of countermeasures is to detect, analyze and counter electronic signals. Modern fighters have these devices on board like tail warning radars with countermeasures in the aircraft which can eject chaff and flares. World War 2 was really the birth of the countermeasures and counter-counter measures. It's complex and interesting subject.
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Post by admiralhood on Jan 7, 2019 17:18:33 GMT -6
OECM is only part of the intel campaign. I would be really happy to see elements like Room 40 or captain Rochefort appeared in the RTW2. If a message box says "Our scientist is doing well on their way deciphering the JN-25" would be even better LOL
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Post by cwemyss on Jan 7, 2019 17:38:30 GMT -6
I know, I know. When is he ever going to stop with "The March of XXX". Ideally? March. |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jan 7, 2019 17:41:03 GMT -6
I know, I know. When is he ever going to stop with "The March of XXX". Ideally? March. Ok, March it is.... maybe  |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jan 7, 2019 23:12:17 GMT -6
Well, let's begin with terminology. Electronic warfare or EW from now on, is defined by the USAF doctrine as "those military actions designed to "detect, deny, analyze and hinder enemy use" of the electromagnetic spectrum. I want you to pay attention to last two words. It does not say "radar" or "Radio", it says electromagnetic spectrum. Its important. Now there are three specialized task within this simple definition according to the manual. ESM, ELINT and ECM. ESM is Electronic Support Measures which includes ELINT or the gathering of electronic capabilities. ECM or RCM during WW2 is simply actions that are used to jam or deceive the enemy's radar devices. ECCM is those actions taken to negate the enemy's ECM activities.
Now, let's move on. I am not going to try to explain electromagnetic radiation and its functions in electronics except to say that a pulse of energy is radiated at a certain frequency, strikes an object and bounces back towards the sender where the radio receiver tuned to the same frequency collections the information. It is this signal that ECM uses to provide the important information to the defender. I will say this, the radar energy may be detected at a range far greater than the useful return of the pulse. In other words, your radar may be good out to 200 miles, but a defender can pickup the beam at far greater, like 300. This is a very important concept.
Well, this is a good start.... I hope.
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Post by mycophobia on Jan 8, 2019 2:43:28 GMT -6
Beyond jamming and confusion of enemy electronics, tracing enemy radar signal through passive radar (something japanese and Germany subscribed to at least early war) is also an interesting concept to be explored.
I am far from knowledgeable in the actual performance quirks and effectiveness of the system, but it seems as a comparatively easy to develop system that can be used to, to an extent, counter or even the planning field against an enemy with superior radar technology. As the system is generally easier to produce and maintain, and less affected by jamming since it relies on listening and tracking radar signal, not emitting these signals directly. But it does suffer from requiring the enemy to use their radar and potentially less reliable detection.
In any case I’d be happy to hear someone more knowledgeable on the topic comment on the issue.
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Post by JagdFlanker on Jan 8, 2019 4:52:51 GMT -6
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jan 8, 2019 10:15:21 GMT -6
Nice video's that I will watch later. Thanks. I worked in the same ground radar system he is describing. We had to contact the AADCP units, one at San Francisco and one at Los Angeles that we had to check their missile status. The had Nike Hercules missiles for point to point defense. AADCP stands for Army Air Defense Command Post BTW. |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jan 8, 2019 10:16:28 GMT -6
Beyond jamming and confusion of enemy electronics, tracing enemy radar signal through passive radar (something japanese and Germany subscribed to at least early war) is also an interesting concept to be explored. I am far from knowledgeable in the actual performance quirks and effectiveness of the system, but it seems as a comparatively easy to develop system that can be used to, to an extent, counter or even the planning field against an enemy with superior radar technology. As the system is generally easier to produce and maintain, and less affected by jamming since it relies on listening and tracking radar signal, not emitting these signals directly. But it does suffer from requiring the enemy to use their radar and potentially less reliable detection. In any case I’d be happy to hear someone more knowledgeable on the topic comment on the issue. Watch the videos on this thread, then I will try to put together some facts and documents later for you so you can understand this subject better, if you wish me to. I enjoy this subject. |
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Post by mycophobia on Jan 8, 2019 19:58:06 GMT -6
Beyond jamming and confusion of enemy electronics, tracing enemy radar signal through passive radar (something japanese and Germany subscribed to at least early war) is also an interesting concept to be explored. I am far from knowledgeable in the actual performance quirks and effectiveness of the system, but it seems as a comparatively easy to develop system that can be used to, to an extent, counter or even the planning field against an enemy with superior radar technology. As the system is generally easier to produce and maintain, and less affected by jamming since it relies on listening and tracking radar signal, not emitting these signals directly. But it does suffer from requiring the enemy to use their radar and potentially less reliable detection. In any case I’d be happy to hear someone more knowledgeable on the topic comment on the issue. Watch the videos on this thread, then I will try to put together some facts and documents later for you so you can understand this subject better, if you wish me to. I enjoy this subject. I’d certainly be interested! I will take a look at the video for sure once I have time. |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jan 8, 2019 21:39:29 GMT -6
Watch the videos on this thread, then I will try to put together some facts and documents later for you so you can understand this subject better, if you wish me to. I enjoy this subject. I’d certainly be interested! I will take a look at the video for sure once I have time. A caveat during your viewing of the videos. These were made in the early 1960's, and some of the threats will not be available in RTW2. The long range search sets will be, that is a threat to deal with. The surface to air missiles and their fire control sets will not be. There will be fire control sets for guns. There will be radio networks but not as sophisticated as the Russian models depicted in the video. There might not be as sophisticated fighters as the ones in the video. I suspect airborne radar will be available but that is a guess. It will be a threat if available. I hope this puts this video into perspective. |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jan 8, 2019 21:48:41 GMT -6
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