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Post by graforlok on Jan 3, 2020 15:31:21 GMT -6
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Post by Adseria on Jan 4, 2020 15:34:07 GMT -6
Recently I played the Netherlands with medium fleet size. I managed to get the first naval treaty right after I finished my 2 first BC in 1909. It lasted until 1914, when Japan tried to get my east indian colonies. After the war in 1915, there was a new treaty: 10" @ 15.000t displacement. For the next 20 years, some AI countries only built CA like France and Germany built Panzerschiff-Style BC, while Britain built some BB in this displacement. In 1935 the USSR started a war against me. Freed from all restrictions, France started to build this Levithian: Although it took them 5 years to build it, this is the biggest ship in the world. When it was finished, the whole british battle fleet had less displacement than this single ship. Now it's 1950 and I'm in war with France. It's still their only BB and they don't have much modern ships. I'm allied with the United Kingdom and together we stand against this monster. Yesterday I had cruiser battle and suprisingly I had two of my new own and a british BB (9x16" @ ~50.000t) together with 3 of my CVs under my command, while France send this ship without escorts to sea. So the Koninklijke Marine of the Netherlands adopted an old tradition of the allied Royal Navy: "If the enemy has a bigger ship than you have, hunt it down with everything you have." So did I: # I'm gonna set aside any joking for a moment and comment on how impressed I am that you managed to sink that thing with no torpedoes, especially considering you had 3 carriers.
I mean, unless you bought your torpedo designs from the US?
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Post by victormagnus on Jan 4, 2020 21:28:48 GMT -6
Battle Starts: Junior officer who *just* took over as OOD on the CV Derfflinger sailing off the coast of Norway: "Guten morgen, helmsman. A nice day, is iā MEIN GOTT! English ships, dead ahead, close-range! How did they get there? WHERE REPEAT WHERE IS OUR SCOUTING FORCE THE WORLD WONDERS Meanwhile, deep up a Greenland fjord: Commander Jurgen: "Hans, we're supposed to be scouting up along the Norwegian coast, ja?" Hans, the world's worst navigator: "Yes, that is right." Jurgen: "Then why are the glaciers to our WEST!?" Hans: "...Instructions unclear, DD squadron entangled in Greenland." So I'm probably about to lose 1/4 of my CV force, but this muck-up of the battle-generator was just too funny not to record.
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Post by graforlok on Jan 5, 2020 4:07:34 GMT -6
I'm gonna set aside any joking for a moment and comment on how impressed I am that you managed to sink that thing with no torpedoes, especially considering you had 3 carriers.
I mean, unless you bought your torpedo designs from the US?
I had 1.500lbs bombs which destroyed radar, directors, turrets and slowed her down. Also they caused fires and floodings by near misses. While my BB finished her, my TB arrived, but it was over before they could drop. The log ends with: "Fires raging out of control! Ship abandoned!"
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Post by aeson on Jan 7, 2020 16:30:36 GMT -6
Russia, Russia, you were doing so well... You baited me into pulling my cruisers away from the convoy just before nightfall, you left me half-lost in the darkness wondering where exactly my convoy and your cruiser were, you found my convoy before I did, and...
... you scored a single 3" hit on one of the convoy's two escorting 500t destroyers, apparently lost the convoy in the darkness, ran into my cruisers as they raced towards your estimated position based on the two contact reports sent off by the destroyer you engaged, and were promptly sunk.
I thought for sure I was going to lose at least a couple of merchantmen when I realized that the convoy had come under attack before I'd managed to find it again, but I guess the game didn't feel like punishing my mistakes this time.
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Post by Enderminion on Jan 7, 2020 23:45:59 GMT -6
Don't have pictures saved, but, I had a Convoy Battle (Defense), due to the Search Radar on one of my Battlecruisers constantly reporting unknown contacts (the Convoy) I disabled pause on new Sighting, this led to three of my Aircraft Carriers stumbling onto an as yet un-engaged Enemy Battlecruiser, so my Carriers shoot at the guy, 1st hit is a 3" HE round... Right to the Rudder... lucky right? my Carriers GTFO as my own Battle-cruisers arrive, 3rd Heavy Hit (16") the Enemy Warship took was a Turret hit leading to a Flash Fire and the Ship Exploding
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Post by dorn on Jan 8, 2020 0:44:35 GMT -6
Don't have pictures saved, but, I had a Convoy Battle (Defense), due to the Search Radar on one of my Battlecruisers constantly reporting unknown contacts (the Convoy) I disabled pause on new Sighting, this led to three of my Aircraft Carriers stumbling onto an as yet un-engaged Enemy Battlecruiser, so my Carriers shoot at the guy, 1st hit is a 3" HE round... Right to the Rudder... lucky right? my Carriers GTFO as my own Battle-cruisers arrive, 3rd Heavy Hit (16") the Enemy Warship took was a Turret hit leading to a Flash Fire and the Ship Exploding Nice. š I would not want it happen opposite way - find enemy carriers, being hit by such caliber, having rudder jammed and wait for the first hit to be blow up.
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Post by demonicsquid on Jan 8, 2020 15:39:14 GMT -6
Game as the USSR proceeding rather quietly, particularly after a 10 year (extended) 20k, 12", treaty. I have a quick war with the UK and having chosen to build 200+ subs instead of 20k battleships with pea-shooters, I starve the UK into submission in nine months (with some very lucky skirmishes as well) and they collapse giving me a bunch of new territories. Needing to fill out my fleet a bit I commence a building program. I decide I want a 16" armed BC raider, but my 16" guns are still at -1 quality, however, the USA has +1s and can also save me some me some weight with their better tech. So, I order 10 of these from them.
1936 rolls around and they have 4 months left before finishing, tensions are low between everyone except Italy (who is very weak). Cue, shitstorm in the Balkans, yes of course I will send a fleet! Oops. Pushes Italy to Dark Orange Status... Turn the page on the calendar, quiet, no war yet. 3 months to go. Rubbing hands with glee, will these be ready for the Italy war? Next month, one of my cruisers runs aground, of course I will send a fleet!! Oops, the US didn't like that, they jump up in tension, but not that much of a concern, Italy tension is just hovering on the line. Next month, another shitstorm in the Balkans, yes of course I'll send a fleet!!! WAR WITH ITALY, yay!
Then I get a message, the USA has seized all your ships under construction... 10 Frostbites plus a 30,000ton CV I had building (purely because it would complete 6 months sooner). They scrap 6 of the BC, and the CV is commissioned a couple of months later. Now the USA is hovering over the tension line and I could end up fighting my own ships - which are far and away their best BB/BC at this point.
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Post by Adseria on Jan 8, 2020 16:07:58 GMT -6
Game as the USSR proceeding rather quietly, particularly after a 10 year (extended) 20k, 12", treaty. I have a quick war with the UK and having chosen to build 200+ subs instead of 20k battleships with pea-shooters, I starve the UK into submission in nine months (with some very lucky skirmishes as well) and they collapse giving me a bunch of new territories. Needing to fill out my fleet a bit I commence a building program. I decide I want a 16" armed BC raider, but my 16" guns are still at -1 quality, however, the USA has +1s and can also save me some me some weight with their better tech. So, I order 10 of these from them.
1936 rolls around and they have 4 months left before finishing, tensions are low between everyone except Italy (who is very weak). Cue, shitstorm in the Balkans, yes of course I will send a fleet! Oops. Pushes Italy to Dark Orange Status... Turn the page on the calendar, quiet, no war yet. 3 months to go. Rubbing hands with glee, will these be ready for the Italy war? Next month, one of my cruisers runs aground, of course I will send a fleet!! Oops, the US didn't like that, they jump up in tension, but not that much of a concern, Italy tension is just hovering on the line. Next month, another shitstorm in the Balkans, yes of course I'll send a fleet!!! WAR WITH ITALY, yay!
Then I get a message, the USA has seized all your ships under construction... 10 Frostbites plus a 30,000ton CV I had building (purely because it would complete 6 months sooner). They scrap 6 of the BC, and the CV is commissioned a couple of months later. Now the USA is hovering over the tension line and I could end up fighting my own ships - which are far and away their best BB/BC at this point.
This is exactly why I never build in foreign yards (except my legacy fleet), even if they have much better tech and/or larger docks than me. I'd rather use 16"/Q-1 guns, or guns of a different calibre, or a smaller ship, or whatever, than risk losing all of my new ships because someone doesn't like me as much as they did when I started building.
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Post by demonicsquid on Jan 8, 2020 18:49:06 GMT -6
This is exactly why I never build in foreign yards (except my legacy fleet), even if they have much better tech and/or larger docks than me. I'd rather use 16"/Q-1 guns, or guns of a different calibre, or a smaller ship, or whatever, than risk losing all of my new ships because someone doesn't like me as much as they did when I started building. Under normal circumstances I would agree, I usually only do it when I am allied. However, they were too far ahead in tech and tension was completely zero when I laid them down... First time I've had this happen to this extent and did make me laugh out loud, so there is that.
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Post by aeson on Jan 9, 2020 12:32:33 GMT -6
Okay, okay, you guys did a pretty good job, but... ... which of you jokers forgot to pack the torpedo boats for a surprise attack?
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Post by Adseria on Jan 9, 2020 19:03:15 GMT -6
However, they were too far ahead in tech and tension was completely zero when I laid them down... That makes no difference to me. A lot can change in the 3 years it takes to build a large capital ship. In fact, it's probably worse to buy from someone with low tensions than from someone with high tensions; sure, it's less likely you'll go to war with them, but if you do, you'll have wasted 30 months' worth of construction, rather than 3 months. With a large capital ship, that's the difference between losing 30 million and a billion. No technological advantage is worth that.
Besides, the difference between gun quality levels at 16" doesn't make that much difference. A 16"/Q-1 will penetrate late-game armour just as easily as a 16"/Q1, and the range advantage is pretty useless (great, you can miss from further away. Useful!). You may as well stick with 15" guns and save the weight.
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Post by aeson on Jan 10, 2020 10:08:59 GMT -6
So, Yoshino, they tell me you intercepted a Frenchman raiding in the Mediterranean Sea... ... Are you sure it wasn't the other way around? Because I recall ordering you to raid commerce in the Mediterranean Sea, and that Frenchman doesn't look like someone you should've been picking fights with...
Edit: Well, I guess it's understandable since I ordered Satsuma from Britain at about the same time as they were building the Jupiters, but it's still a funny coincidence:
Satsuma could almost be taken for a half-sister to the Jupiter class, looking at this - basically the same main battery armament, similar secondary armament, similar armor protection, similar speed ... the only really major difference, apart from the superstructure sketches, is something that doesn't show up in the ship cards: Satsuma has low freeboard whereas Jupiter does not. Interestingly enough, Satsuma exceeded her design speed on trials, and, looking at the design file, so did Jupiter - though Satsuma's design speed was 20 knots whereas Jupiter's was 'merely' 18.
Funnily enough, Britain went to a classic Dreadnought configuration - 5x2x12" AFGWY - for its second class of battleships while I went for a near-Neptune - 5x2x12" AFKWY with CDF - for mine (my two near-Neptunes have a half-sister in proper Neptune configuration, with the superfiring X turret replacing W).
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Jan 11, 2020 14:37:35 GMT -6
I would not want to be the Captain of the Marengo, and having to explain how in 11 hours his crew could not rectify the single 5" hit that caused any flooding damage to his ship.
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Post by director on Jan 11, 2020 16:48:48 GMT -6
garrisonchisholm - that... that is the DEFINITION of extreme. But still... put him in the circle of hell occupied by, let me see... where do we start... The captains of HMS Audacious, Italian cruiser Zara, USS Oklahoma, HMS Hood, battleship Bismarck, HMS Hampshire, carrier Taiho... The captains of USS Maine, battleship Mutsu, battleship Leonardo da Vinci, HMS Bulwark, HMS Vanguard... "Captain, how did you come to lose your ship?" "Well sir, I rather thought the enemy had something to do with it!" The captains of HMS Captain, HMS Montague, HMS Victoria and HMS Camperdown, every captain of DesRon 11... Anyway, that French B couldn't be saved. Either the design was so complicated they couldn't find out where the hole was, or it was so tightly engineered they couldn't get to it to stop it, or the captain thought, "It is only a little hole, and if I push on I can be home in time for dinner!" (Just for purposes of argument, let me point out she took 18 14 medium-caliber hits... which shouldn't sink a ship, but - hey - there it went). (Sorry about that - got the number of hits and amount of flooding swapped).
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