Japans Naval Budget 1900

[kaiwi]

I have a question for poeple with more expirence then me. I for myself do not remember having that much trouble with the Historical budget of Japan in RTW 1.

Playing on historical of course.

Is there somthing i do not understand right ? I mean its 1926 in my game at the moment and i have a budget of 246 mil. while even italy as far beyond 300.

Can not remeber it was that hard to build a decent fleet. Are there any triggers i did not understand ?

[luna]

Budget depends mostly on what you select in the events. If you stockpile a lot of money and take wrong event choices you can end with a pretty meager budget.

[kaiwi]

May 19, 2019 20:09:06 GMT -6 luna said:

Budget depends mostly on what you select in the events. If you stockpile a lot of money and take wrong event choices you can end with a pretty meager budget.

So you saying its the same in the game as it is with my girlfirend .........its all my fault? Well i will test out with diffrent events. Thank you.

[luna]

Not all your fault, Japan has a weak budget to begin with.

[snwh]

Events can matter a lot, but I didn't realize stockpiling had anything to do with it.

I gotta admit, I'm in the same boat as you tho Kaiwi, Not complaining about it, but it does feel like historical budget japan has less money than in rtw1. Though I do like the challenge :3

[kaiwi]

May 19, 2019 20:23:05 GMT -6 snwh said:

Events can matter a lot, but I didn't realize stockpiling had anything to do with it.

I gotta admit, I'm in the same boat as you tho Kaiwi, Not complaining about it, but it does feel like historical budget japan has less money than in rtw1. Though I do like the challenge :3

Agreed but it is somwhat nervrecking when you have 2 BC's and 4 BB's and Russia has 8 BC's and 6 BB's it was the moment i decided to go total with Airpower.....much cheaper then trying to build up BB's

[kidcharlemagne]

There's also a "base resource" stat on your nation that your naval budget is pulled from. It increases if you take more possessions and win wars, and it'll also increase at the end of each year by 3-5% and through a couple event choices. At the same time it decreases through losing wars and possessions.

[deeznuts]

Check the National data of various nations(it’s in the ships of the world tab), it now includes the base resources of each nation so you can actually compare economic strength

As a general rule the best way to increase budget(short of just waiting) is to get concessions from Wars which increases your base resources(much more than the value you would get from just taking colonies, which is why minmax starts usually focus on getting into as many wars as possible but never taking colonies in peace deals)

Japan starts far behind and can expect to stay there until you start winning some wars, and even then it will mostly just put you on a fair playing field with everybody else, to play Japan well you have to careful managing your budget and only fighting enemies that can’t swarm Asia with their much larger fleets(Germany for example is a very easy fight for Japan since they have bases close by but nowhere near enough basing to bring their full fleet to Asia)

[Antediluvian Monster]

There are also bonuses to base resource growth to certain nations, namely Germany, Austria, Japan and USA.

I wouldn't be surprised there was something funky about budget growth since historical budgets themselves seem odd/bugged. In my current game budget Japan game I have overtaken Italy by 1910 and am about equal with Russia.

[snwh]

If there are decisions that affect your 'base resource', does anyone know what they are? I'd like to be able to keep an eye out for them. I took a look at the desicions.dat file, but I don't really get how to read it

[jov]

My suspicion was that the events which allow you to invest money into infrastructure (i.e. railways) and social programs will have long term benefits. Have no evidence that it does, but the way it is worded makes it sound like it is the better long term option than simply shoveling money into your naval budget.

[hrcak47]

I usually play Austria or Japan, and the desire to just outwunderwaffe everybody is strong.

You will never have the numbers, ever. But you will be able to cut their numbers down too. Treaties are very powerful to join.

[pirateradar]

May 19, 2019 22:53:52 GMT -6 snwh said:

If there are decisions that affect your 'base resource', does anyone know what they are? I'd like to be able to keep an eye out for them. I took a look at the desicions.dat file, but I don't really get how to read it

Railroads, if you get the option for railroads always build railroads. It increases your base resources.

The amount of money you get in RtW is decided by a basic formula of (x+y)*z, where x is base resources, y is colonial resources, and z is the fraction of resources that goes to the naval budget. As we know z can fluctuate up and down a lot from turn to turn through events that +budget or -budget, but x changes less often and will generally increase over time. I believe (but am not 100% sure) that the only two player-controlled ways to increase x are the railroads event and by not taking all possible points of colonies when winning a war (like deeznuts says, this increases x which many people see as more valuable than increasing y, because increases in y usually come with added costs in the form of having to devote more forces to defending said colonies).

[christian]

May 19, 2019 20:22:07 GMT -6 luna said:

Not all your fault, Japan has a weak budget to begin with.

in 1900 they should have a weak budget but by 1922 they were using 33% of their national budget on the navy and by 1938 they were over 20 BILLION dollars (in current 2018 dollars) deep with the fleet total military spending was around 48 billion dollars assuming a 50/50 split between fleet and navy

at this time the us of a was spending 10 BILLION dollars on their fleet 

current max reachable is 1.5 or more in game which accounted for inflation works decently but yeah

in short japans budget does NOT scale properly

this is yearly budget btw

[kaiww]

Thank you all for your explanation i will have an eye for it and already did some testing it seems that you get more out of possesion then i thought i will try to grab more early in the game when i restart.