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Hmmm.
Jul 28, 2019 10:12:30 GMT -6
Post by williammiller on Jul 28, 2019 10:12:30 GMT -6
6. Larger ships can be spotted farther than smaller ships Line of sight works both ways. LOS does work both ways, but larger ships are more likely to be sighted sooner than smaller ships, given everything else being equal, for two primary reasons:
1) Larger ships tend to produce a greater quantity of smoke than smaller ships, which is more likely to be spotted earlier.
2) Larger ships present a visually larger object for spotting, which is more likely to be spotted sooner than a smaller target. Look at it this way: if side A is a bicycle and side B is a truck, side B is going to be easier to spot at the same range compared to Side A, and you would almost always notice it sooner. This factor tends to be even more important at night, BTW.
Historically this is borne out if you read over a large number of comparative spotting reports.
Thanks!
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jul 28, 2019 10:30:35 GMT -6
Line of sight works both ways. LOS does work both ways, but larger ships are more likely to be sighted sooner than smaller ships, given everything else being equal, for two primary reasons:
1) Larger ships tend to produce a greater quantity of smoke than smaller ships, which is more likely to be spotted earlier.
2) Larger ships present a visually larger object for spotting, which is more likely to be spotted sooner than a smaller target. Look at it this way: if side A is a bicycle and side B is a truck, side B is going to be easier to spot at the same range compared to Side A, and you would almost always notice it sooner. This factor tends to be even more important at night, BTW.
Historically this is borne out if you read over a large number of comparative spotting reports.
Thanks!
I would add that weather and the direction of the enemy force has much to do with sighting. At Jutland the British were generally to the west and the battle took place in the afternoon late, which means the sun was behind the German High Seas Fleet and this made the British Fleet far more observable. Also the direction of the wind and waves can impede your observations. As William said, smoke, size of the ship and he is absolutely correct that sighting reports will show this in detail.
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Hmmm.
Jul 28, 2019 11:43:47 GMT -6
Post by chaosblade on Jul 28, 2019 11:43:47 GMT -6
I've had had a rare match up I suffered in RTW 1, which is getting a pair of mine sweepers/KE in an offensive mission (you'd think seeing them in defensive missions? certainly, but offensive?)
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Hmmm.
Jul 29, 2019 2:29:01 GMT -6
Post by noshurviverse on Jul 29, 2019 2:29:01 GMT -6
Seeing as how we have several different people making the same claim, I once again decided to indulge my testing fetish. Starting a 1900 campaign as Russia, I proceeded to sink the entire naval budget into coastal fortifications. Soon enough a war broke out with Germany. After letting a couple months go by to build up the minefields, I began accepting battles. During a DD action, I was able to lure a division of German Destroyers through one of the marked minefield circles. Soon afterwards the division broke off contact. Upon daybreak, I ran my own DD division by the area and was prompted to pick up survivors from an "UNSIGHTED". Post-scenario reports indicate that the German DD G8 struck a mine during combat. In my other post conducting testing of contended game mechanics, I merely stated that the hypothesis (AI having "cheating" advantages in torpedo launches) was not supported, despite the difference in launches over 5 tests being less that 1.5%. I did so because I could not conclusively rule out that I was merely experiencing a statistical anomaly. However, in this case the evidence is conclusive and the hypothesis of AI ships being unable to strike mines has been proven false.The alternative hypothesis (AI having some advantage in avoiding them) has not, but as of yet there is no substantial evidence to suggest so. Forgot to include the image of the shipwreck site itself. Attachments:
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Hmmm.
Jul 29, 2019 16:36:52 GMT -6
Post by thesovietonion on Jul 29, 2019 16:36:52 GMT -6
If its worth anything, I just had an Italian ship hit a minefield while playing as Germany fighting off a commerce raid. It happens, its just rare.
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