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Post by dizzy on Sept 15, 2019 9:45:12 GMT -6
Is the same true for a Minesweeper? Will they mine-sweep if not on Trade Protection? Is this a passive ability?
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Post by ulzgoroth on Sept 15, 2019 14:08:42 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure mine sweeping and laying isn't trade protection related, and if anything trade protection would be detrimental to mine warfare contribution.
ASW seems to be entirely a matter of trade protection, which largely makes sense. I could imagine that ASW strength in the active fleet would reduce 'sub torpedoes your warship' events, but I have no evidence of that.
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Post by aeson on Sept 15, 2019 14:11:42 GMT -6
I agree with ulzgoroth - ASW seems to be TP-only while minesweeping and minelaying goes on in any role.
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Post by tbr on Sept 15, 2019 15:58:35 GMT -6
I agree with ulzgoroth - ASW seems to be TP-only while minesweeping and minelaying goes on in any role. Yes, and I think this needs to change. At the moment fitting "fleet" DD with any extra ASW gear is counterproductive.
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Post by aeson on Sept 15, 2019 22:35:46 GMT -6
Yes, and I think this needs to change. At the moment fitting "fleet" DD with any extra ASW gear is counterproductive. ASW from any purpose-built sub chasers you may have and old DDs refitted for the purpose is good enough that I don't see it as desirable for Active Fleet ships to contribute to the ASW score for the purposes of countering submarine commerce raiding, and sub-hunting task forces seem more like something that'd be abstracted into Trade Protection than into Active Fleet. I'd be happy for ASW-fitted AF DDs to reduce the likelihood of "your ship XX was torpedoed and damaged/sunk by submarine YY" events, but communicating something like that to the player is problematic because either it's another pop-up to click past in wartime or it'll clutter up the Turn Message log with yet more messages that aren't important - and, let's face it, that one of you battleships wasn't torpedoed by a submarine because of the presence of a destroyer with a decent ASW suite isn't an important event.
Heck, a "your destroyer XX prevented a submarine attack on your battleship YY" event would probably be even less relevant and more nuisance clutter-y than the raider activity messages already are, because as the system stands the raider activity messages provide actionable information - there are surface raiders in sea zones X, Y, and Z; I can set cruisers to Trade Protection and send them to sea zones X, Y, and Z to counter them, if I want - whereas a "destroyer saves battleship from submarine" event doesn't say anything that the absence of "battleship torpedoed by submarine" messages does not, beyond providing a (soft) confirmation that yes, fitting your big late-game fleet DDs with full ASW suites might've been a good idea.
Also, at least in my opinion, big late-game DDs can fit full or nearly-full ASW suites without giving up anything that actually matters - especially at the top of the size scale, where you can pretty easily run into overcrowded centerline or too many main battery gun penalties before you run out of tonnage if you accept that 32 or 33 or 34 knots is good enough and 35 or 36 or 37 knots or whatever won't make much practical difference even if you could get it without sacrificing half the ship's armament.
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Post by dorn on Sept 15, 2019 23:29:19 GMT -6
I agree with ulzgoroth - ASW seems to be TP-only while minesweeping and minelaying goes on in any role. Yes, and I think this needs to change. At the moment fitting "fleet" DD with any extra ASW gear is counterproductive. May be it has effect on post battle and strategic events. I do not know. But it would be good that fleet ASW has effect on random event of submarine torpedoes enemy warship in battle or between strategic turns.
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Post by tbr on Sept 16, 2019 5:09:17 GMT -6
Yes, at the moment ASW on "fleet" DD seems pointless. What I am asking for is a mechanism and feedback on same that rewards/forces the player to take ASW capability into account even when designing modern "fleet" DD that serve in war on AF, not only when designing/rebuilding "trade protection" MS or DD that serve on TP.
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Post by dohboy on Sept 16, 2019 13:14:15 GMT -6
I get the occasional message about one of my destroyers attacking an enemy submarine during battles. Not sure if it has anything to do with the ASW equipment installed on it or if it was using guns on a surfaced sub. I don't recall getting that message for any other ship type though (even carriers, which have the highest ASW rating), so I am assuming it is depth charge attacks.
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Post by p3wp3wb0om on Sept 20, 2019 3:16:21 GMT -6
If this is true it would seem to make sense to fit your fleet DD with only minesweeping equipment and when they are obsolete in the fleet role refit them. Taking off the mine sweeping equipment and fitting ASW equipment. Seems a bit cheaty but would save tonnage and get around the issues with have both sets of equipment on the same hull.
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Post by dizzy on Sept 20, 2019 8:52:36 GMT -6
If this is true it would seem to make sense to fit your fleet DD with only minesweeping equipment and when they are obsolete in the fleet role refit them. Taking off the mine sweeping equipment and fitting ASW equipment. Seems a bit cheaty but would save tonnage and get around the issues with have both sets of equipment on the same hull. This is a brilliant idea! I was scrapping my DD's when they were too old/slow and all I needed to do was repurpose them. Great thinking!
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