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Post by tbr on Nov 18, 2019 13:29:02 GMT -6
Looking at the AircraftBasicData.dat file it is the medium bomber (MB) which will now not any more receive torpedoes, the flying boats (PB) still can get them from 1934 onwards. This actually makes sense IMO, since, historically, flying boats and large floatplanes (e.g. the He115) were used as torpedo bombers earlier than any land based planes. Later on we can just read "flying boat" as "patrol bomber" and consider it covering types like the Nell or Betty as well as torpedo armed Ju88, Beauforts etc. Because game wise, if the "medium bomber" instead retained torpedo capability, all the nice diversity it can bring, like skip/glide bombing and guided munitions, would not make much of an appearance. We need one "large long range" plane to have skip/glide/guided bombing capability and the other can then have torpedcapability later in the game.
So, please keep things as is and clarify whether the "Reduced the hit chance for Medium bombers dropping torpedoes" applies to legacy design in old savegames and correct "PB" to read "MB"...
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Post by griffin01 on Nov 19, 2019 10:47:04 GMT -6
Looking at the AircraftBasicData.dat file it is the medium bomber (MB) which will now not any more receive torpedoes, the flying boats (PB) still can get them from 1934 onwards. This actually makes sense IMO, since, historically, flying boats and large floatplanes (e.g. the He115) were used as torpedo bombers earlier than any land based planes. Later on we can just read "flying boat" as "patrol bomber" and consider it covering types like the Nell or Betty as well as torpedo armed Ju88, Beauforts etc. Because game wise, if the "medium bomber" instead retained torpedo capability, all the nice diversity it can bring, like skip/glide bombing and guided munitions, would not make much of an appearance. We need one "large long range" plane to have skip/glide/guided bombing capability and the other can then have torpedcapability later in the game.
So, please keep things as is and clarify whether the "Reduced the hit chance for Medium bombers dropping torpedoes" applies to legacy design in old savegames and correct "PB" to read "MB"...
I'm not positive that removing torpedo armament from medium bombers will somehow enhance the diversity of plane loadouts at airfields. Skip and, in particular, glide bombing are of rather limited usefulness, and from what I know 1/3 of medium bombers (my numbers may be off) carry guided bombs after their development, torpedoes or no. With that said, removal of the torpedo option, at least for me, means that medium bombers are on the way out from the airfields. In general, though, while I understand that it might be historical that torpedo availability is limited, I'm not particularly happy about it being more and more restricted, though I'm probably biased due to my preference for playing Austria... |
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Post by Fredrik W on Nov 19, 2019 11:11:17 GMT -6
Looking at the AircraftBasicData.dat file it is the medium bomber (MB) which will now not any more receive torpedoes, the flying boats (PB) still can get them from 1934 onwards. This actually makes sense IMO, since, historically, flying boats and large floatplanes (e.g. the He115) were used as torpedo bombers earlier than any land based planes. Later on we can just read "flying boat" as "patrol bomber" and consider it covering types like the Nell or Betty as well as torpedo armed Ju88, Beauforts etc. Because game wise, if the "medium bomber" instead retained torpedo capability, all the nice diversity it can bring, like skip/glide bombing and guided munitions, would not make much of an appearance. We need one "large long range" plane to have skip/glide/guided bombing capability and the other can then have torpedcapability later in the game.
So, please keep things as is and clarify whether the "Reduced the hit chance for Medium bombers dropping torpedoes" applies to legacy design in old savegames and correct "PB" to read "MB"...
The update notes are correct. MB will continue to have torpedo capability for some (but not all) types. Their torpedo accuracy was found to be too good, so have been reduced somewhat. Flying boats do have torpedoes in the air chart, but since there were almost no cases of them attacking warships with torpedoes IRL, the intention was that they should not be able to use them in game. Due to a oversight they kept the capability, but that has now been changed.
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Post by dch96 on Nov 20, 2019 13:44:03 GMT -6
I noticed a different ambiguity as well.
The patch notes mention that the option has been added for "harder peace deals", but neither the notes nor the in-game explanation go into further detail. Does this mean that it will be harder to take possessions or gain war reparations in peace treaties, or will the treaties themselves be harsher, i.e. will it be easier to take possessions and gain war reparations?
Apologies if someone else mentioned this, I searched and could not find any other mention of the ambiguity.
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Post by Fredrik W on Nov 20, 2019 15:28:48 GMT -6
I noticed a different ambiguity as well. The patch notes mention that the option has been added for "harder peace deals", but neither the notes nor the in-game explanation go into further detail. Does this mean that it will be harder to take possessions or gain war reparations in peace treaties, or will the treaties themselves be harsher, i.e. will it be easier to take possessions and gain war reparations? Apologies if someone else mentioned this, I searched and could not find any other mention of the ambiguity. "Harsher" would have been a better choice of words. The victor can take more possessions. |
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Post by axe99 on Nov 20, 2019 15:31:50 GMT -6
Looking at the AircraftBasicData.dat file it is the medium bomber (MB) which will now not any more receive torpedoes, the flying boats (PB) still can get them from 1934 onwards. This actually makes sense IMO, since, historically, flying boats and large floatplanes (e.g. the He115) were used as torpedo bombers earlier than any land based planes. Later on we can just read "flying boat" as "patrol bomber" and consider it covering types like the Nell or Betty as well as torpedo armed Ju88, Beauforts etc. Because game wise, if the "medium bomber" instead retained torpedo capability, all the nice diversity it can bring, like skip/glide bombing and guided munitions, would not make much of an appearance. We need one "large long range" plane to have skip/glide/guided bombing capability and the other can then have torpedcapability later in the game.
So, please keep things as is and clarify whether the "Reduced the hit chance for Medium bombers dropping torpedoes" applies to legacy design in old savegames and correct "PB" to read "MB"...
The update notes are correct. MB will continue to have torpedo capability for some (but not all) types. Their torpedo accuracy was found to be too good, so have been reduced somewhat. Flying boats do have torpedoes in the air chart, but since there were almost no cases of them attacking warships with torpedoes IRL, the intention was that they should not be able to use them in game. Due to a oversight they kept the capability, but that has now been changed.
While I know they weren't used much for the role (and quite sensibly too, a large, slow target flying at sea-level towards a ship doesn't sound like a particularly sensible thing to do), as best I understand it (ie, I'm only as good as my sources) the first ships (not warships) damaged during the Battle of Midway sequence of events was by a torpedo dropped from a PBY (at night, so much safer). I agree that in-game it makes a lot more sense to have them be bombers  |
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Post by dch96 on Nov 20, 2019 18:36:00 GMT -6
I noticed a different ambiguity as well. The patch notes mention that the option has been added for "harder peace deals", but neither the notes nor the in-game explanation go into further detail. Does this mean that it will be harder to take possessions or gain war reparations in peace treaties, or will the treaties themselves be harsher, i.e. will it be easier to take possessions and gain war reparations? Apologies if someone else mentioned this, I searched and could not find any other mention of the ambiguity. "Harsher" would have been a better choice of words. The victor can take more possessions. That was what I figured, but I just wanted to make sure. Thanks. |
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