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Post by alpha2518 on Nov 28, 2019 15:15:34 GMT -6
What is the ideal use for SAP at the different ranges and for the different caliber of guns and targets? And how much should I give my ships once I research it. I don't mess with ammo loadout on my ships when but when I get SAP I take 5% from AP and HE each, giving 10 % to SAP.
And what tech affects it. I understand that it is kind of armor piercing, so does the AP tech effect it primarily? However, its only semi armor piecing and so it's a glorified HE shell, should HE be prioritized in acquiring better SAP? Is it an some mix of the two over one or the other?
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Post by noshurviverse on Nov 28, 2019 15:42:38 GMT -6
SAP gets roughly 50-70% of the penetration of AP,so the answer to alot of your questions depends on alot of factors: What guns are you using and how much can they penetrate? What are they expected to fight? How do you fight, up close or at max range?
As far as how much, I tend to go 70AP/10HE/20SAP as far as capital ship main guns in the mid/lategame. If my opponent has poorly armored ships I might increase the SAP amount. 4-6" guns usually get a bit of a more even split, as do 7-10".
IIRC, the amount it can penetrate would be influenced by AP tech, the damage it does explosive tech.
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Post by alpha2518 on Nov 28, 2019 20:07:35 GMT -6
SAP gets roughly 50-70% of the penetration of AP,so the answer to alot of your questions depends on alot of factors: What guns are you using and how much can they penetrate? What are they expected to fight? How do you fight, up close or at max range? As far as how much, I tend to go 70AP/10HE/20SAP as far as capital ship main guns in the mid/lategame. If my opponent has poorly armored ships I might increase the SAP amount. 4-6" guns usually get a bit of a more even split, as do 7-10". IIRC, the amount it can penetrate would be influenced by AP tech, the damage it does explosive tech. Well my concern is mostly battleships vs cruisers, both CA and CL and then Cruisers vs Other Cruisers. As for DDs, I assume SAP is preferable over HE. As for where I fight. Well if I got bigger guns I tend to try and distance myself and wait for the magazines to expload. However, I tend to make ships way bigger then the AI at any point with 16in guns and 16in of armor which also gives me the flexibility to close in if I desire. |
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Post by noshurviverse on Nov 28, 2019 20:52:45 GMT -6
For shooting at DDs, you'll want HE. They have no armor so go for the most damage. For shooting armored cruisers, I'd say use AP at long rangeand SAP when closer. For light cruisers, all SAP except smaller guns at long range. Of course, this is mostly just how I personally go about it.
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Post by dorn on Nov 29, 2019 0:20:08 GMT -6
Using SAP depends of your strategy.
I usually used less ammo than other (80 to 100 for 15" and 16"), so I use 5 to 10 % as HE and rest AP. Light cruisers use a little more HE for destroyers and max. range otherwise I prefer penetration.
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Post by wlbjork on Nov 29, 2019 5:39:20 GMT -6
The only way to be sure is to examine the logs and track how much armour enemy ships are fielding.
If you get a large proportion of AP hits on the belt that are classed as "pass-through" then you are over-penetrating and thus should consider switching to SAP or HE for that weapon against similar targets.
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Post by rimbecano on Nov 30, 2019 13:36:48 GMT -6
I'll note that historically, not every nation even used SAP (e.g, I know there was no SAP projectile for the Iowas' 16"/50 Mk. 7, and I don't think I've heard of any other US gun having SAP), so not using it is a perfectly viable strategy.
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Post by aeson on Nov 30, 2019 14:33:09 GMT -6
I'll note that historically, not every nation even used SAP (e.g, I know there was no SAP projectile for the Iowas' 16"/50 Mk. 7, and I don't think I've heard of any other US gun having SAP), so not using it is a perfectly viable strategy. The 16" HC Mark 13 and 14 shells are arguably a form of SAP, as they were intended for use against light armor or heavily-reinforced concrete as might be found on fortified coastal targets. They also had relatively smaller bursting charges and thicker walls than was typical of HE projectiles. |
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Post by orkel on Dec 2, 2019 19:15:50 GMT -6
Do AI nations ever use SAP? I can't recall any hits on my ships from SAP. Unless the log just shows them as HE?
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Post by aeson on Dec 2, 2019 19:24:48 GMT -6
Do AI nations ever use SAP? I can't recall any hits on my ships from SAP. Unless the log just shows them as HE? SAP shows up in the log as SAP. As far as I am aware, the computer only uses the default ammunition loadout and doctrine, which does not include SAP. |
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