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Post by Warspite on Dec 5, 2019 19:02:54 GMT -6
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Post by amram on Dec 5, 2019 19:30:36 GMT -6
Its a shame we don't have a reliable means to skim the ocean floor at reasonable resolution via satellite.
The wrecks we'd find if we did!
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Post by oldpop2000 on Dec 5, 2019 20:10:42 GMT -6
There were two warships with the name, Scharnhorst. The SMS Scharnhorst, found near Falklands was the Armored Cruiser of the Imperial German Navy built by Blohm & Voss. She was stationed in China at Tsingtao. She was under the command of Admiral Spee. She and her sister ship sank the HMS Good Hope and Monmouth at the Battle of the Coronel off the coast of Chili. The German ships then sailed around the Horn to the Falklands for refueling before trying to get home but the British had already sent a fleet with two battlecruisers. Both AC were sunk, with the 2 light cruisers and 2 transports were captured.
The WW2 named ship was built in 1935. She was a battlecruiser with 9 x 11 inch guns. She was sunk attacking a convoy in 1943 by HMS Duke of York.
GeneralLieutnant Gerhard Von Scharnhorst was a Prussian and he fought in the Napoleonic Wars.
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Post by Warspite on Dec 5, 2019 22:48:49 GMT -6
There were two warships with the name, Scharnhorst. The SMS Scharnhorst, found near Falklands was the Armored Cruiser of the Imperial German Navy built by Blohm & Voss. She was stationed in China at Tsingtao. She was under the command of Admiral Spee. She and her sister ship sank the HMS Good Hope and Monmouth at the Battle of the Coronel off the coast of Chili. The German ships then sailed around the Horn to the Falklands for refueling before trying to get home but the British had already sent a fleet with two battlecruisers. Both AC were sunk, with the 2 light cruisers and 2 transports were captured. The WW2 named ship was built in 1935. She was a battlecruiser with 9 x 11 inch guns. She was sunk attacking a convoy in 1943 by HMS Duke of York. GeneralLieutnant Gerhard Von Scharnhorst was a Prussian and he fought in the Napoleonic Wars. Really?  |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Dec 5, 2019 23:05:33 GMT -6
There were two warships with the name, Scharnhorst. The SMS Scharnhorst, found near Falklands was the Armored Cruiser of the Imperial German Navy built by Blohm & Voss. She was stationed in China at Tsingtao. She was under the command of Admiral Spee. She and her sister ship sank the HMS Good Hope and Monmouth at the Battle of the Coronel off the coast of Chili. The German ships then sailed around the Horn to the Falklands for refueling before trying to get home but the British had already sent a fleet with two battlecruisers. Both AC were sunk, with the 2 light cruisers and 2 transports were captured. The WW2 named ship was built in 1935. She was a battlecruiser with 9 x 11 inch guns. She was sunk attacking a convoy in 1943 by HMS Duke of York. GeneralLieutnant Gerhard Von Scharnhorst was a Prussian and he fought in the Napoleonic Wars. Really? Yes, Really. And don't tell me you did not know that, please.  One bit of additional information. The German squadron rounded cape Horn on 2 December stopping at Picton Island on the 3rd. It was agreed at that time that they would raid the Falkland Islands. They sailed on the 6th. The British Battlecruisers had been in the harbor at the Falklands on the 7th, a day before the German ships arrived. Anyway, the British battlecruisers were much faster and caught up with them, Scharnhorst sank with all hands, Scharnhorst was engaged by the HMS Invincible. |
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Post by Warspite on Dec 5, 2019 23:13:08 GMT -6
Really? Yes, Really. And don't tell me you did not know that, please. Well, I don't like to brag but...YEAH!.... ....You got me, oldpop. I guess wisdom comes with extreme old age? |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Dec 5, 2019 23:27:07 GMT -6
Yes, Really. And don't tell me you did not know that, please. Well, I don't like to brag but...YEAH!.... ....You got me, oldpop. I guess wisdom comes with extreme old age? Wisdom does come from old age, but also with reading and study. |
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Post by Warspite on Dec 5, 2019 23:49:12 GMT -6
Well, I don't like to brag but...YEAH!.... ....You got me, oldpop. I guess wisdom comes with extreme old age? Wisdom does come from old age, but also with reading and study. Modest as always. Google is fantastic, isn't it? |
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Post by brucesim2003 on Dec 6, 2019 0:18:42 GMT -6
Wisdom does come from old age, but also with reading and study. Modest as always. Google is fantastic, isn't it? If oldpop is as interested in naval history as he seems, these facts were known to him long before google came about. Books are marvelous, and they taught me a lot about naval history when I was at school, 30ish years ago. |
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Post by Warspite on Dec 6, 2019 0:35:00 GMT -6
Reading is fantastic, isn't it?
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Post by oldpop2000 on Dec 6, 2019 9:03:26 GMT -6
Modest as always. Google is fantastic, isn't it? If oldpop is as interested in naval history as he seems, these facts were known to him long before google came about. Books are marvelous, and they taught me a lot about naval history when I was at school, 30ish years ago. You are correct. I started my study of naval history with my dad who would not watch Victory At Sea on TV during the 1950's but insisted that I watch it. He used to say, I was there, I don't need to watch it. He would provide me with information about the battles and operations that he participated in. My first book on military history was "The Foxes of the Desert" by Paul Carell. It was and still is, an excellent book on The North African Campaign. I spent a lot of time in the library. I now have over 500 ebooks from Amazon and can read them even in my car. I keep an Ereader in there all up to date. I will say that the Internet and new sources opening up, have definitely allowed me to research subjects without having to go to the National Archives. It is fantastic. There is no reason for anyone, not to know or understand how military history has progressed through the centuries. I just finished a book written n 1917 about the History of Medieval Europe and am now finishing up a book on the Mongols. My next book explores the scientific reasons for the Black Death in the Medieval time and fall of many empires. There is a documentary on it and I have the book now. It is based on the study of Krakatoa in the Sunda straits and its volcanic eruption in 1625. Fascinating. This is the only forum I have stayed on over the years because of the quality and expertise of the team but more importantly the forum members. |
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One bit of additional information. The German squadron rounded cape Horn on 2 December stopping at Picton Island on the 3rd. It was agreed at that time that they would raid the Falkland Islands. They sailed on the 6th. The British Battlecruisers had been in the harbor at the Falklands on the 7th, a day before the German ships arrived. Anyway, the British battlecruisers were much faster and caught up with them, Scharnhorst sank with all hands, Scharnhorst was engaged by the HMS Invincible.