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Post by wlbjork on Dec 15, 2019 7:58:23 GMT -6
Currently, the order of resolution is that ships are completed first, then battles are generated.
However, this can result in a rather unfortunate situation once carriers are available - namely, that a freshly built carrier can be sent into battle without the chance of assigning any aircraft.
I propose that the order is reversed - that the battles are generated first, then the ships are completed. This would allow aircraft to be assigned plus allow some working up before the ship actually encounters combat.
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Post by sloanjh on Dec 15, 2019 18:28:19 GMT -6
Point of clarification: I think you meant to say "freshly re-built carrier". Newly built ships should arrive in "working up" status (WU), which shields them from combat. Rebuilt carriers, however, are immediately available for battle, and because squadrons must be removed from carriers when they go into rebuild then, as you say, there is no opportunity to reassign an air wing.
I'm almost positive that I have been burned by this behavior in the past.
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Post by wlbjork on Dec 16, 2019 0:20:35 GMT -6
Technically it was both because it was my first CVL conversion of the game, so it never had any squadrons assigned in the first place.
In game terms it was a rebuild, yet such an extensive one that it would surely undertake a longer period of working up due to getting the new concepts into action.
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Post by dorn on Dec 16, 2019 1:26:49 GMT -6
Technically it was both because it was my first CVL conversion of the game, so it never had any squadrons assigned in the first place. In game terms it was a rebuild, yet such an extensive one that it would surely undertake a longer period of working up due to getting the new concepts into action. You raise interesting point. May be having working up for ship after refit. One month for every 5 months of refit rounds up.
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Post by Fredrik W on Dec 16, 2019 10:37:42 GMT -6
Good point! Actually, it so happens that this has already been taken care of. In the next update, coming soon, carriers without aircraft will not be deployed in battles.
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Post by rimbecano on Dec 16, 2019 23:26:53 GMT -6
Quick question: Why not have carrier squadrons assignable for any non-museum carrier, in service or not? I'm pretty certain real navies assign, and begin training, the air wing for a carrier well before it actually enters service. It seems that allowing carriers under construction or refit to have squadrons assigned would deal with these sorts of in-game corner cases, as well as better reflecting actual practice. If a carrier's capacity changes as a result of a refit, the game could bring the player to the air wing dialog as soon as the ship is taken in hand. For ships not in service, assigned squadrons could either act as reserve squadrons, or as active land-based squadrons in the player's home area.
Alternatively, rather than assigning air groups directly to carriers, allow the player to specify one or more air group schemas for each class, and then just assign a schema to each individual ship, with the actual squadron management being performed automatically.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Dec 17, 2019 0:00:29 GMT -6
Quick question: Why not have carrier squadrons assignable for any non-museum carrier, in service or not? I'm pretty certain real navies assign, and begin training, the air wing for a carrier well before it actually enters service. It seems that allowing carriers under construction or refit to have squadrons assigned would deal with these sorts of in-game corner cases, as well as better reflecting actual practice. If a carrier's capacity changes as a result of a refit, the game could bring the player to the air wing dialog as soon as the ship is taken in hand. For ships not in service, assigned squadrons could either act as reserve squadrons, or as active land-based squadrons in the player's home area. Alternatively, rather than assigning air groups directly to carriers, allow the player to specify one or more air group schemas for each class, and then just assign a schema to each individual ship, with the actual squadron management being performed automatically. Currently, the US Navy does not have a dedicated aircraft carrier training ship. It used to use the Essex class Lexington but no longer. Student pilots will fly a training aircraft like the T-45 Goshawk and practice touch and goes aboard an operational carrier. They will begin this training on landing fields configured as carrier decks. In WW2, the US Navy used the USS Sable IX-81. She was a sidewheel excursion steamer purchased by the US Navy and modified to permit landings and takeoff's on the Great Lakes. There was also the USS Wolverine or IX-64. Necessity is the mother of invention.
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