(R 1902) Design Not Showing Up in Build Ship Interface

[anthropoid]

I got a 1900 CA "Schwentine Class" design with 9" (-1) guns. 1902 rolls around and I get better 9" guns Up to to 0 quality from -1. I open the design and fiddle around. Selecting "Rebuild" on the main guns doesn't seem to do anything. Ticking the caliber up one (to 10" (5)) then back down evokes a screen prompt "Do you want to upgrade to higher quality guns" or something to that effect. Click yes and I get this:



Then, when I right-click existing ships I can rebuild them to that model "Schwentine (R 1902)."

However, when I try to BUILD ships to that model the only variety I see is Schwentine (without the upgraded guns).

I can of course continue to build them as 1900 model with 9" (-1) guns and then upgrade them once they are built but that seems a bit daft, and turns what should be a ~24 month build into a ~32 month build.

Schwentine (R 1902).10d file is in the directory, it just doesn't show up in the "Build Ship" list, only in the "Rebuild Ship" list.

Rebooting did not fix it.

Any suggestions?

[wlbjork]

As far as I can tell, the only refitted ships that will appear in the build menu are those that you give an upgraded Fire Control system to when offered the chance.
It would be nice to be able to designate a model as an improved version of an existing ship that doesn't require even a quick design study.

[anthropoid]

Ah so pretty much a known limitation . . . So I guess the best way around it is: open up the Schwentine design, upgrade the guns save it as a new Class and pay for the design study. This design is probably going to be the most common I build until about 1905 so paying for a 6 or 8 month design study is certainly better than paying for an 8 or 10 x 8 month refits.

[kriegsmeister]

For whatever reason you can refit old ships to new designs, but you can't outright build the new design. What you can do is open your refit design and save it as a new class, and build from that new design.

[anthropoid]

The simple solution to my quandry: open up Schwentine, change the guns, change the name to "Schwentine [R1902]" select save. Few hundred Goldmarks and 1 month design study and I'm back in business. So, once I upgrade all the ones already built, I'll have two ship classes: Schwentine (R 1902) and Schwentine [R1902]. It irks me mildly that I'll have two names for the exact same class of ship but ah well . . .

[kriegsmeister]

Jan 7, 2020 15:05:02 GMT -6 anthropoid said:

The simple solution to my quandry: open up Schwentine, change the guns, change the name to "Schwentine [R1902]" select save. Few hundred Goldmarks and 1 month design study and I'm back in business. So, once I upgrade all the ones already built, I'll have two ship classes: Schwentine (R 1902) and Schwentine [R1902]. It irks me mildly that I'll have two names for the exact same class of ship but ah well . . .

A bit annoying but highly reflective of history, every ship built was pretty much unique and very rarely did you ever have two 100% identical ships except for very small vessels less than a few hundred tons that were mass produced in the tens of dozens. If you look into the AI design files you'll see some crazy naming schemes like Dreadnought (1908) (1910a) (1915) (1918c) - class

[samweston]

You could do sub-class naming, do the refits, and once you've got the first one done open the design and change the name to the name of that ship, or whatever you want it to be.

[hawkeye]

Jan 7, 2020 15:05:02 GMT -6 anthropoid said:

The simple solution to my quandry: open up Schwentine, change the guns, change the name to "Schwentine [R1902]" select save. Few hundred Goldmarks and 1 month design study and I'm back in business. So, once I upgrade all the ones already built, I'll have two ship classes: Schwentine (R 1902) and Schwentine [R1902]. It irks me mildly that I'll have two names for the exact same class of ship but ah well . . .

Be sure to right-click on a finished Schwentine, choose "open design".

This opens the design (doh) and lets you make chances and as long as those changes aren't too radical (the % of change will be displayed), you will pay a reduced fee and will have a reduced time for the design to be finalized

Unless I'm missing something, this does _not_ work if you open the design screen and simply _load_ the design, you _have_ to open it from the ship-list.

[wlbjork]

You can open the design anywhere - ship list, build list or from the design window, provided that you have already ordered a full design study.

This is valuable, as sometimes you get the rebuild screen show up when already working on a ship and clicking this takes the focus off the design screen and subsequent loss of all data.

[swang]

You can open the ship file in a text editor, in the 2nd line, change ready=0 to ready=1 and it'll show up in your build menu.

Edit: You will need to save, exit, edit, and reload.  It doesn't work if you edit the file without reloading.