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Post by director on Nov 13, 2020 11:57:44 GMT -6
Is the horse dead yet?
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lucur
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Post by lucur on Nov 13, 2020 13:46:33 GMT -6
Yes, but i can't dump fish into it to make sure, because friendly ship in the line of fire and the AI is cheating anywayaü!!!1111one Sorry, my inner 7-year-old couldn't resist:D
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Post by oldpop2000 on Nov 13, 2020 13:46:42 GMT -6
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Post by rimbecano on Nov 13, 2020 17:52:26 GMT -6
Again: Where are 700yards (640m, 0.35nm) given as the distance that the IJn DDs launched torps at? In all likelihood, 700 yards was simply a typo on oldpop's part and he really meant 7000, and hasn't even realized that the post you challenged has a missing 0. Your initial response was much longer and more confrontational than it needed to be. Ask you needed to do was bold the 700 in the quote of the post and write "Did you mean 700 or 7000?".
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Post by cv10 on Nov 13, 2020 19:07:25 GMT -6
Yes, but i can't dump fish into it to make sure, because friendly ship in the line of fire and the AI is cheating anywayaü!!!1111one Sorry, my inner 7-year-old couldn't resist:D This may not be a popular opinion, but I don't mind the "friendly ship in the line of fire" issue. Having played a lot of SAI, where you can take friendly torpedo fire, I can live with my ships missing a good line up every now and then if it means that I don't have to worry that they'll torpedo my own battleline.
Apologies if friendly torpedo fire can happen in RTW 2: I've not seen it happen to me yet.
The worse case I had in SAI was when my destroyer force tried to fire torpedo salvoes through my own battle line. 4 BBs were hit, 2 were sunk. I swear that my DD skippers were in the pay of the enemy.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Nov 13, 2020 19:22:30 GMT -6
Again: Where are 700yards (640m, 0.35nm) given as the distance that the IJn DDs launched torps at? In all likelihood, 700 yards was simply a typo on oldpop's part and he really meant 7000, and hasn't even realized that the post you challenged has a missing 0. Your initial response was much longer and more confrontational than it needed to be. Ask you needed to do was bold the 700 in the quote of the post and write "Did you mean 700 or 7000?". Thanks, it was a typo error and I did not even realize it. Busy day, but that is not a good excuse. I will try to be more careful. In Destroyer Captain, Hara states that the firing solution was at 7000 meters at the apex of circle.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Nov 13, 2020 20:50:51 GMT -6
Here are two quotes from Hara's book about Japanese destroyer firing procedures
The accepted doctrine was to cover a total spread of 20 degrees in firing the eight torpedoes. After careful analysis of all the many factors concerned, I concluded that the 20-degree spread resulted in hits only if my destroyer, describing a hyperbolic curve at 30 knots, released its torpedoes at the peak of the hyperbola, at a target 2,000 meters distant, starting to draw away on an evasive curving course at 20 knots. Over a period of many weeks of maneuvers I discovered that the opposing squadron was apt to start its evasive turning before my ship was ready to release torpedoes. Also I discovered the necessity of considering every element of computation anew, including the 2-second interval between each of the eight torpedoes.
Hara, Tameichi. Japanese Destroyer Captain (p. 28). Naval Institute Press. Kindle Edition.
The orders for closing to 500 meters were not, however, taken seriously. I never heard of anyone doing it in maneuvers, although later I sank three American destroyers by this method. The enemy’s course during battle is too unpredictable. In order to torpedo his ship, the attacking destroyer must approach the course of his target, close quickly, fire, and then break off in a curve. A high-speed destroyer cannot slow down quickly to avoid a collision—and mid-ocean collisions are usually fatal. Also, to close with an enemy within 500 meters means braving dangerous gunfire. In maneuvers we usually fired torpedoes at a range of about 2,000 meters. In actual warfare, the average distance was probably 4,000 to 5,000 meters—a distance which still outranged American torpedoes. In all fairness, however, I must cite the bravery of American destroyers. In my experience they always tried to close to within effective range of their torpedoes.
Hara, Tameichi. Japanese Destroyer Captain (p. 30). Naval Institute Press. Kindle Edition.
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Post by rimbecano on Nov 13, 2020 23:07:15 GMT -6
Yes, but i can't dump fish into it to make sure, because friendly ship in the line of fire and the AI is cheating anywayaü!!!1111one Sorry, my inner 7-year-old couldn't resist:D This may not be a popular opinion, but I don't mind the "friendly ship in the line of fire" issue. Having played a lot of SAI, where you can take friendly torpedo fire, I can live with my ships missing a good line up every now and then if it means that I don't have to worry that they'll torpedo my own battleline.
I don't mind it entirely, but I've been lobbying for a while that the blocked solution should be displayed, so that bugs in the blocking code can be tracked down (it appears, for instance, that a shot can end up being blocked if a shot on a reciprocal bearing would hit a friendly).
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