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Post by admiralhood on Jan 1, 2019 15:18:18 GMT -6
In the developer journal, William mentioned that if a faction is cut off from oil access, there is a risk that oil-firing ships will have ordered strategic moves cancelled or that they will be unable to take part in a battle. Maybe the aftermath of a fuel shortage could be extend into other aspects as well. Some other aspects already occurred to me are: 1. Submarine activity and efficiency reduced(They are using diesel, which is a product from oil). 2. Air forces performances reduced(Lack of fuel would have a negative impact on both airman quality due to less training and aircraft mechanic performances). 3. Social unrest level increases(coldness and famine). I would like to discuss with you guys about other possible aftermath of a oil shortage.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jan 1, 2019 15:57:36 GMT -6
In the developer journal, William mentioned that if a faction is cut off from oil access, there is a risk that oil-firing ships will have ordered strategic moves cancelled or that they will be unable to take part in a battle. Maybe the aftermath of a fuel shortage could be extend into other aspects as well. Some other aspects already occurred to me are: 1. Submarine activity and efficiency reduced(They are using diesel, which is a product from oil). 2. Air forces performances reduced(Lack of fuel would have a negative impact on both airman quality due to less training and aircraft mechanic performances). 3. Social unrest level increases(coldness and famine). I would like to discuss with you guys about other possible aftermath of a oil shortage. The question for the team is whether a process like Fischer-Tropisch or Haber-Bosch for the creation of synthetic fuel will be researchable. If it is, then this can partially solve the issue. Ships can run on other kinds of oil like pine oil. The Yamato's last trip was fueled by such an oil. You can also use oil that was not refined although that will be hard on the engines. The Pine Root Oil program has been detailed in a report by the Naval Technical Mission to Japan. The process was developed both in Korea and Japan. They were able to develop aviation fuel from this process along with solvent etc.
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Post by rimbecano on Jan 1, 2019 16:16:19 GMT -6
If oil shortages are going to be a thing, it would be interesting to have an event that let you give up some budget to establish a strategic oil reserve.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jan 1, 2019 16:21:39 GMT -6
If oil shortages are going to be a thing, it would be interesting to have an event that let you give up some budget to establish a strategic oil reserve. A strategic oil reserve would have to be based on the amount of oil to be used in peace time and also war time. In war it will be used far more and the reserves will be depleted much faster. You would have to have an alternative to the strategic oil reserve. The Japanese at the start of the war, had a two year reserve of fuel but Operation MI...Midway used one full year of it. They suffered after that for the rest of war. So, while fuel reserve is important, the careful selection of operations is absolutely critical. You can also try to capture using AMC's, tankers to try to augment your supplies. The distance between your supplies of oil can be a factor, again Japan had to station much of their fleet at Singapore to be close to Borneo which was where their fuel supply was.
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Post by admiralhood on Jan 1, 2019 17:15:24 GMT -6
In the developer journal, William mentioned that if a faction is cut off from oil access, there is a risk that oil-firing ships will have ordered strategic moves cancelled or that they will be unable to take part in a battle. Maybe the aftermath of a fuel shortage could be extend into other aspects as well. Some other aspects already occurred to me are: 1. Submarine activity and efficiency reduced(They are using diesel, which is a product from oil). 2. Air forces performances reduced(Lack of fuel would have a negative impact on both airman quality due to less training and aircraft mechanic performances). 3. Social unrest level increases(coldness and famine). I would like to discuss with you guys about other possible aftermath of a oil shortage. The question for the team is whether a process like Fischer-Tropisch or Haber-Bosch for the creation of synthetic fuel will be researchable. If it is, then this can partially solve the issue. Ships can run on other kinds of oil like pine oil. The Yamato's last trip was fueled by such an oil. You can also use oil that was not refined although that will be hard on the engines. The Pine Root Oil program has been detailed in a report by the Naval Technical Mission to Japan. The process was developed both in Korea and Japan. They were able to develop aviation fuel from this process along with solvent etc. Another interesting feature would be acquiring oil from allies. If my ally has oil access and the sea lane between the 2 factions are still intact, maybe a faction should be allowed to share that resources as well. Of course, an ally could charge for it in return.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jan 1, 2019 17:20:10 GMT -6
The question for the team is whether a process like Fischer-Tropisch or Haber-Bosch for the creation of synthetic fuel will be researchable. If it is, then this can partially solve the issue. Ships can run on other kinds of oil like pine oil. The Yamato's last trip was fueled by such an oil. You can also use oil that was not refined although that will be hard on the engines. The Pine Root Oil program has been detailed in a report by the Naval Technical Mission to Japan. The process was developed both in Korea and Japan. They were able to develop aviation fuel from this process along with solvent etc. Another interesting feature would be acquiring oil from allies. If my ally has oil access and the sea lane between the 2 factions are still intact, maybe a faction should be allowed to share that resources as well. Of course, an ally could charge for it in return. That is an alternative, under certain circumstances. If I am Germany, Austria-Hungary, France I might be in good shape, but Italy might have a problem being a peninsula in the middle of an enclosed sea. The only access to oil might be through Turkey or North Africa. If you are in league with Germany then you could get oil from them. Britain's only oil supply that is accessible is the US. Here Middle East oil might be cut off easily by submarines. Sound like history repeating? You cannot avoid geography.
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Post by AiryW on Jan 2, 2019 0:09:50 GMT -6
German synthetic fuel production was by the end of the war was adequate for their naval needs. It was inadequate overall because the navy was a small part of their needs with the bulk going to the air force and the army and industrial economy both needing a large chunk as well. So around 1940 or so it would be plausible to invest in synthetic oil in order to have enough for the navy. If you are in league with Germany then you could get oil from them. Britain's only oil supply that is accessible is the US. Here Middle East oil might be cut off easily by submarines. Sound like history repeating? You cannot avoid geography. Prior to the fall of France Romania was going to sell it's oil to the allies not Germany. Romania was a liberal democracy and the British were willing to pay quite handsomely in order to ensure that Germany would not have oil available. It's only the fall of France that meant Germany was suddenly free to start pressuring the Romanians and supporting the fascist coup.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jan 2, 2019 0:12:50 GMT -6
German synthetic fuel production was by the end of the war was adequate for their naval needs. It was inadequate overall because the navy was a small part of their needs with the bulk going to the air force and the army and industrial economy both needing a large chunk as well. So around 1940 or so it would be plausible to invest in synthetic oil in order to have enough for the navy. If you are in league with Germany then you could get oil from them. Britain's only oil supply that is accessible is the US. Here Middle East oil might be cut off easily by submarines. Sound like history repeating? You cannot avoid geography. Prior to the fall of France Romania was going to sell it's oil to the allies not Germany. Romania was a liberal democracy and the British were willing to pay quite handsomely in order to ensure that Germany would not have oil available. It's only the fall of France that meant Germany was suddenly free to start pressuring the Romanians and supporting the fascist coup. Yes, indeed things did change after the Fall of France. Many things changed after that French fiasco.
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Post by ursamaior on Jan 2, 2019 1:19:43 GMT -6
German synthetic fuel production was by the end of the war was adequate for their naval needs. It was inadequate overall because the navy was a small part of their needs with the bulk going to the air force and the army and industrial economy both needing a large chunk as well. So around 1940 or so it would be plausible to invest in synthetic oil in order to have enough for the navy. If you are in league with Germany then you could get oil from them. Britain's only oil supply that is accessible is the US. Here Middle East oil might be cut off easily by submarines. Sound like history repeating? You cannot avoid geography. Prior to the fall of France Romania was going to sell it's oil to the allies not Germany. Romania was a liberal democracy and the British were willing to pay quite handsomely in order to ensure that Germany would not have oil available. It's only the fall of France that meant Germany was suddenly free to start pressuring the Romanians and supporting the fascist coup. LOL and Lol. Romania a liberal democracy in 1940? Where have u learnt history? Antonescu and the antisemite and terrorist Garde de Ferre /Iron Guard/ was already running amok.
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Post by AiryW on Jan 2, 2019 11:46:48 GMT -6
Where have u learnt history? I find I have a sudden newfound appreciation for aeson
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Post by ursamaior on Jan 2, 2019 12:16:19 GMT -6
Where have u learnt history? I find I have a sudden newfound appreciation for aesonI am sure you do. And anybody and every body is a gentleman until confronted with snake oil statements (pun intended).
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Post by williammiller on Jan 2, 2019 12:33:47 GMT -6
Lets be nice guys...
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Post by ilyusin28 on Jan 2, 2019 12:39:58 GMT -6
Please calm down. This forum is a place to talk about games.
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Post by ursamaior on Jan 2, 2019 13:24:11 GMT -6
Understood. Sorry if I was rude. Coming from that region please forgive my sensitivity when confronted with fake history.
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Post by AiryW on Jan 2, 2019 14:16:38 GMT -6
Understood. Sorry if I was rude. Coming from that region please forgive my sensitivity when confronted with fake history. Romania prior to the fall of France was a liberal democracy. It is true that a state of emergency had been enacted in order to fight the fascist organizations however that does not preclude a country from being a democracy if indeed there is a genuine emergency. The US constitution is generally considered a watershed document when it comes to creating a liberal society and it specifically grants the power to suspend habeas corpus and resort to martial law in times of great danger to the public. Considering that fascists assassinated the prime minister in this period it is certainly true that it was a time of great danger. While Romania did not entirely embargo Germany, neither did the US entirely embargo Japan. When it came to the crucial matter of oil they did show a clear preference for the British over the Germans. The iron guard that you speak of was not only excluded from the Romanian government but the government had gone to extreme measures in order to keep it that way. This is the state PRIOR to the fall of France. I place emphasis on that term because the word "prior" indicates that I am not speaking of the political reversal to accommodate the fascists which happened AFTER the fall of France. Your comments about myself are not merely rude, they are inaccurate. You claim to have "sensitivity to fake history" which is odd because in your case such a sensitivity should be an autoimmune disorder.
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