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Post by garrisonchisholm on Dec 7, 2019 2:15:14 GMT -6
I believe there was a treaty between my 1st and 2nd wars with Italy, though I don't recall any details. There seem to be a proliferation of ~15,000 ton 10" CAs from the early 20s, perhaps this was one. This game went badly for Austria as I lost Dalmatia -- yes, now that I think of it, I also lost what was essentially an Orion as a 10" CA also in that war. There was a treaty in effect. EDIT; And, they still have her. Not an Orion layout either. And that's the biggest non-CV in the Italian navy. The belt armor is an intelligence error, I only built them with 5" of belt.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Dec 21, 2019 19:12:21 GMT -6
This is what happens when naval aviators have been cooped up for 14 months before finally getting to see the enemy. Other ships sailing and fighting? Convoy freighters still trying to survive? ...dead in the water BB burning and capsized? There we go...
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Dec 22, 2019 11:11:54 GMT -6
This next image is from the same war as the airstrike above; For want of a better term, this was the photo where I kinda said "____ you France." This was a very awkward war to fight with Japan and I had had to work hard to get my VP lead, and - though France had been on at war warning levels for the whole duration- they finally tipped the scales. There goes my VP score. France started it by an 'event', one of their submarines sinking one of my carriers in the Yellow Sea. A game coincidence, but one I would definitely take liberties with were I chronicling the tale. 2 months later after a minor victory the Coalition surrendered, and I claimed 5 points of territories from the French, in addition to Weiheiwei from the Japanese. A brilliant diplomatic move upon the part of the French foreign ministry if ever I did say.
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Post by akosjaccik on Dec 22, 2019 13:08:09 GMT -6
Whatever sum the japanese paid for the french to intervene, after the peace deal I bet the french thought they haven't paid enough.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Dec 29, 2019 23:59:03 GMT -6
I thought this was interesting. In this game the first dreadnoughts were all killed on the slips by a 10,000/8" treaty. It was a long treaty too, ultimately lasting almost 15 years. In this world I kept my Bs because they were the only 12" guns I would have for a long while, and I also built about as cheap a B as I ever considered, a 4 x8" & 8 x7" class to shore up my battle-line. What I didn't realize (until I poked a war with France to kick them out of North Korea) was the whole rest of the world *had* given up their Bs. I suppose my carefully hoarded pre-dreadnoughts should immediately be scrapped so I can afford BBs. I think I see that this will be a come-from-behind game.
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Post by director on Dec 30, 2019 1:13:44 GMT -6
Looks like the rest of the world scrapped their battleships and went full-on 'jeune ecole'. In this instance you should probably keep 'some' Bs for blockade advantage and make sure you have superior CAs and CLs to take down the swarming hordes of cruisers. And, of course, there is naval aviation to incorporate. But at this moment, according to classic Mahanist theory, Japan rules the waves.
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Post by dorn on Dec 30, 2019 4:04:12 GMT -6
There is quite interesting thing that Russia is the first nation with CVL.
I would expect that CA could be either fast or have so high firepower that it can be dangerous even these pre-dreadnoughts.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Dec 31, 2019 15:33:28 GMT -6
In my first war I faced 10,000 ton 3x9" CAs that could make 28 knots, and despite being very poorly armored they ran rings around me. However I did win and take North Korea, and too shortly won my 2nd war and gained Sakhalin, and I am in the midst of re-making the fleet. I might have some interesting facts to post in a few hours.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Dec 31, 2019 19:19:40 GMT -6
This is the world 16 years later, and it looks like all those CAs demanded replacement by BCs, because no-one seemed very interested in building BBs. I pretty much decided to let my 5 surviving CAs fulfill my cruiser roles and will focus on carriers, I don't see time or opportunity to build BCs.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Dec 31, 2019 20:14:36 GMT -6
Ok, someone in the English parliament hates me. July 1943 now, and ALL because I tried to restore order in Shanghai, Great Britain now has pacts to contain so-called "Japanese Aggression" with Tsarist Russia, Democratic America, *and* Fascist Germany. In turn I have a treaty with Fascist France, with only Fascist Italy unaligned with anyone. If something goes down it is going to be big... EDITyup.
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Post by aeson on Dec 31, 2019 23:00:17 GMT -6
Now you just need the French to decide that they'd rather invade Italy and get stuck in the Alps than focus on winning the war they're already in and your alt-history WWII analogue will be complete...
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Post by director on Jan 1, 2020 1:37:24 GMT -6
The game is seriously unbalanced toward BCs to the point that the AI builds 2 or 3 times more of them than BBs.
As for your current version of 'You and Me Against the World'... Urk.
Really, that's all I have to say. Just 'Urk.' Can't get anything else past the sudden block in my throat.
Just try to get it over with quickly.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Jan 1, 2020 10:42:35 GMT -6
This might get the reward for Most Anti-climactic war of all time. There were two major actions. In the first off Formosa, I had 2 CAs attempt a radar night engagement with a German and Russian CL. One CA was vaporized after 7 minutes and the other took a torpedo, and while trying to limp back took another torpedo and sank. This was embarrassing, and put me rather behind. The second action was an English/Russian coastal raid in the Sea of Japan, 2 CVs 2 BCs and escorts, where I only had a pair of AA cruisers & 4 DDs. Oh, and about 1000 land-based air. Yes, dawn broke fair and the enemy was obliterated over about 12 hours of strikes. Yet despite my lead and desire to press for concessions, we are left with a tacit victory. My biggest problem in this game was finding the time and money to both re-fit existing ships and add new ones, but I suppose those are the real and reasonable struggles faced by budgetary constraints. EDIT just in case anyone was following this, the game has ended with Japan consolidating all of NEA and adding Hainan. Oddly, and I can't remember the last time this happened, I finished with the smallest fleet in the world. No doubt assisted by my very large land-based air budget. Ah well, on to Spain! I'm feeling muy loco.
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Post by director on Jan 2, 2020 8:42:13 GMT -6
Sounds like that went about as well as expected, though the loss of 2 CAs must sting, particularly the one whose 'A' wasn't 'A' enough to prevent a magazine explosion. Were I in your place I'd have been torn between the desire to keep playing 'just to see' and the strategic desire to get out of that war before all the warships in the world park themselves on your doorstep.
From the descriptions above it sounds as though most of the AI Allies kept their fleets at home, so France did you a solid favor there.
I've never tried playing Spain in RtW. I had a good run as Spain in Victoria 2, ending as a major economic, naval and colonial power. And then a second play that ended in tears - I kept trying to ally with France (who needed allies, believe me) right up until they invaded me. So... good luck, break a leg, best wishes... farewell... LOL.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Jan 2, 2020 11:28:57 GMT -6
Funny you should say that... So, the Spain Game. Things started off rather well, I took Corsica from Italy and Algiers & the Antilles from France, both moves benefiting from either an England/Austria Alliance or a Germany Alliance. I lost a BB, kind-of unnecessarily ("that DD SURELY must have spent all its torpedoes by this point, we don't need to change course and can pummel it as we pa- ...oh crap."), but managed to afford a whole class of BBs that only *mostly* suck. Now, what would any red-blooded gamer look at here? Gibraltar. Why on Earth would I allow Gibraltar to persist. Right! Let's take care of that. So I start orchestrating things, feeling quite rightly like Machiavelli as I assemble my Franco/German/Hispaniola alliance and push the tension up- until England forms a Pact with America, and the VERY NEXT TURN, France backs out of my alliance.
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