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Post by rs2excelsior on Jan 12, 2020 8:24:23 GMT -6
I am very confused how a hit could strike both the waterline and the (extended) deck armor...
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Post by anthropoid on Jan 12, 2020 8:27:07 GMT -6
Recently I played the Netherlands with medium fleet size. I managed to get the first naval treaty right after I finished my 2 first BC in 1909. It lasted until 1914, when Japan tried to get my east indian colonies. After the war in 1915, there was a new treaty: 10" @ 15.000t displacement. For the next 20 years, some AI countries only built CA like France and Germany built Panzerschiff-Style BC, while Britain built some BB in this displacement. In 1935 the USSR started a war against me. Freed from all restrictions, France started to build this Levithian: Although it took them 5 years to build it, this is the biggest ship in the world. When it was finished, the whole british battle fleet had less displacement than this single ship. Now it's 1950 and I'm in war with France. It's still their only BB and they don't have much modern ships. I'm allied with the United Kingdom and together we stand against this monster. Yesterday I had cruiser battle and suprisingly I had two of my new own and a british BB (9x16" @ ~50.000t) together with 3 of my CVs under my command, while France send this ship without escorts to sea. So the Koninklijke Marine of the Netherlands adopted an old tradition of the allied Royal Navy: "If the enemy has a bigger ship than you have, hunt it down with everything you have." So did I: # I'm gonna set aside any joking for a moment and comment on how impressed I am that you managed to sink that thing with no torpedoes, especially considering you had 3 carriers.
I mean, unless you bought your torpedo designs from the US?
89,000 tons displacement . . . the real reason sea levels are rising is finally clear.
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Post by aeson on Jan 12, 2020 10:30:20 GMT -6
I am very confused how a hit could strike both the waterline and the (extended) deck armor... If it's using the Sloped Deck armor scheme, the armor deck is roughly at the waterline with sloping edges that go a bit below it.
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Post by wknehring on Jan 13, 2020 5:25:38 GMT -6
Question:
How do you get your first carrier sunk within 20 battles or so?
Take a 1899 pre-dreadnought class, strip off all unnecessary things, refit engines and a bulge, put a hangar on top and build it as your first CVL. Refit it with 4" DP guns when time comes. Take it into battle (enemy coastal raid) in the Adriatic Sea against Italy (I am AH). Ready your torpedo bombers. Get shitty weather. Forget to unready them. Play about 3 hours with your main group BCs and sink an enemy BC and cripple a load of DDs. Forget to send your carrier strike to cut off the enemy retreat. Notice that your carrier-group existing of 2 units gets bombed (important! don´t notice one CVL received a hit). Win the battle. Watch the post battle screen and wonder, why you have lost one CVL. Go to ship details, click your lost CVL, see that it received one bomb hit. Go to further details. See, that this was a 100lbs bomb dropped into your fuelled torpedo bombers, that ignited the whole ship and your damage reduction crew was not capapble in limiting the fires. Bazinga!
The best thing is, my whole fleet made it to Pola. It was only one lost DD during night that was a bit late. Normally you think your ships are save (except those crazy enemy subs that send some torpedos after the battle), once they are in your habours.
Well, it is my own fault. I should concentrate better on the battle messages and try to highlight the damage to important units.
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Post by aeson on Jan 13, 2020 10:21:10 GMT -6
The best thing is, my whole fleet made it to Pola. It was only one lost DD during night that was a bit late. Normally you think your ships are save (except those crazy enemy subs that send some torpedos after the battle), once they are in your habours. Usually, ships that make it into port before sinking are recovered, so you might still have your carrier.
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Post by wknehring on Jan 14, 2020 4:35:13 GMT -6
The best thing is, my whole fleet made it to Pola. It was only one lost DD during night that was a bit late. Normally you think your ships are save (except those crazy enemy subs that send some torpedos after the battle), once they are in your habours. Usually, ships that make it into port before sinking are recovered, so you might still have your carrier.
Unfortunately, I don´t have. My CVL is listed under sunk ships and not in the list of commissioned ships anymore.
But it doesn´t matter. It is the fact that 100lbs (54 kilos) were enough to sink a ship of 14.000ts by igniting 12 torpedo bombers, standing prepared at the flight deck, deck lift closed for several hours, after shitty weather (rain and wind) that means a wet flight deck.
In case that would have happened to one of my coming larger CVs, I would do some kind of ragequit. But this is some kind of fun to me- don´t ask me why^^
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Post by aeson on Jan 14, 2020 16:59:37 GMT -6
Have you ever built a ... silly, shall we say, legacy fleet and then had it come back to bite you a very short time into the game?
... Not that I'm asking for any particular reason, mind you...
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Jan 14, 2020 17:24:16 GMT -6
Hey, you've got a whole dozen cruisers there. That's 6 for each ocean!
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Post by aeson on Jan 14, 2020 17:46:29 GMT -6
Hey, you've got a whole dozen cruisers there. That's 6 for each ocean! Yes, it's truly an exceptional number of ships to produce for the ~850,000 that Congress gave me to build a legacy fleet, isn't it? Especially considering that fully half of them were in the legacy construction program rather than the legacy fleet proper. I'm sure Congress was quite pleased with how I spent taxpayer dollars. No, I haven't asked them about it, why? They'd have told me if they were displeased, surely...
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Jan 14, 2020 18:55:53 GMT -6
My, there's awfully large contingent of press waiting outside the building. No doubt they just want to ask if Teddy is pleased with things, given his attachment to the Navy and all. :]
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Post by dorn on Jan 15, 2020 0:11:11 GMT -6
Have you ever built a ... silly, shall we say, legacy fleet and then had it come back to bite you a very short time into the game?
... Not that I'm asking for any particular reason, mind you...
What did you do with the starting funds? It seems you build only a little compared to Germany wizh similar budget.
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Post by aeson on Jan 15, 2020 11:28:55 GMT -6
Have you ever built a ... silly, shall we say, legacy fleet and then had it come back to bite you a very short time into the game?
... Not that I'm asking for any particular reason, mind you...
What did you do with the starting funds? It seems you build only a little compared to Germany wizh similar budget. I build a ... handful ... of coastal batteries... 23 12", 31 9", and 31 6" batteries, to be precise, which works out to about 520,000 of the starting funds. Have I mentioned yet that the legacy build I did was "silly?"
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Post by dorn on Jan 15, 2020 13:05:52 GMT -6
What did you do with the starting funds? It seems you build only a little compared to Germany wizh similar budget. I build a ... handful ... of coastal batteries... 23 12", 31 9", and 31 6" batteries, to be precise, which works out to about 520,000 of the starting funds. Have I mentioned yet that the legacy build I did was "silly?"
So now your cruisers are doing guards to these bateries. Nice experiment.
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Post by akosjaccik on Jan 15, 2020 13:53:36 GMT -6
One would say - splendid isolation!
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Post by brygun on Jan 15, 2020 14:44:04 GMT -6
Its 1941. With the Fuhrer now in a charge since 1938, despite my efforts for which he reprimanded with a lower budget, our glorious Reich is now at war the United Kingdom, France, Russia and the USA. We hope to soon have the Japanese join them against us! Italy will take a bit more encouraging to get them to come at us!
We got this.
(softly) I miss the Kaiser
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