Ship (and aircraft) names for 1900 start
May 25, 2019 19:11:29 GMT -6
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Post by stunnedduck on May 25, 2019 19:11:29 GMT -6
1900shipnames.zip (39.45 KB) Updated 6/12/21 with several changes to the Italian list as suggested by vonfriedman.
Self-explanatory. Obvs some things can be readily copied into your 1920 start files as well. Changes are as follows (also included in the zip as 1900shipnames.txt):
Self-explanatory. Obvs some things can be readily copied into your 1920 start files as well. Changes are as follows (also included in the zip as 1900shipnames.txt):
In general, my intent is to give every nation sufficient name options for any type of fleet they might build, regardless of their historical force structure. In some cases, this has led to moving names of a certain type (e.g. towns, nobility, famous battles) from one classification to another to help balance things out.
I prefer to take names out of lists that are duplicated in other classes (e.g. Lexington and Saratoga as BC and CV), obvs YMMV.
I have trimmed out some potentially anachronistic names (especially the US CVLs named for WWII battles), but this is not consistent and probably cannot be done in a way that will satisfy all users. In general I personally don't have a problem with WWI-inspired names; the generals, admirals, and conflict zones of the historical WWI were very likely to be historically prominent regardless of what alternate history you (vaguely) explore with a 1900 start, and they are generally far enough down the list order that they're not going to show up for a vessel built in e.g. 1906. Cases like the Italian battleship Littorio (named after the lictor, bearer of the fasces in ancient Rome, a symbol from which the term fascism is derived, thus the appeal to Mussolini) present paradoxical incentives: if we build battleships, we want their names to resonate with our understanding of famous historical examples, and Littorio definitely qualifies; however, the choice of this name would never have come about under a non-fascist government, so you could choose to strike it as anachronistic for a 1900 start on that basis. *shrugs*
Aircraft name and manufacturer lists are expanded to reflect a 1900 start, instead of purely focusing on WWII aircraft as the default lists do.
All nations:
- removed ALL duplicates - Excel COUNTIFS is a wonderful thing
- corrected some spelling errors
- added more historical aircraft manufacturers
- set all [Aircraft names] that are number sequences to start with 1 (in keeping with the 1900 start date... 1920 starts will probably sound more "historical" with the default values)
- various minor adjustments to list order
Austria (37 BB, 14 BC, 32 CA, 39 CL, 126 DD, 10 CV, 23 CVL)
- A near-complete overhaul, with many names shifting between types and substantial additions.
- BBs simplified to historical names plus the regional names previously allocated to CV
- BC list is now major (victorious) Austrian battles and several prominent military leaders of the Habsburg Empire.
- CAs now comprise most of the remaining historical names for sizeable ships not classified as B or BB, plus a mixture of historical figures, major cities, and some more Austrian/Hungarian land victories.
- CLs are the historical smaller cruisers, a bunch of miscellaneous names of monitors/ironclads/etc., substantial rivers, and several mid-size cities in Austria and Hungary proper.
- DDs are historical destroyers, historical torpedo boats whose names fit the animal-name style of the historical DDs, a couple of other torpedo boat/corvette series (e.g. the Komet/Planet/Blitz group), and then for padding we have Greek myth and minor cities of the A-H Empire.
- Gave CVs two prominent historical rulers not covered in the rest of the A-H list, then used mountain ranges.
- CVLs inherited most of the bird names from the late 19th century torpedo boats.
France (57 BB, 22 BC, 50 CA, 67 CL, 169 DD, 161 SS, 10 CV, 22 CVL)
- Extended BB list with some pre-dreadnoughts not covered in the default file, plus names from historical ships-of-the-line.
- Extended BC list with further examples of prominent French cities and some recycled ironclad names.
- Extended CA list with Napoleonic marshals not historically used elsewhere, several other historical military commanders (e.g. Duc de Berry, Comte de Saxe), and a couple of leftover coastal defense names from the 1880s.
- Extended CL list with several historical ships-of-the-line not used for BBs.
- Changed CVs to include more historical military figures, two of France's greatest rulers (Henry IV, Louis XIV), and a couple of ship-of-the-line names that seemed potentially appropriate.
- Added many SS.
- Added interwar/WWII DD.
Germany (50 BB, 21 BC, 29 CA, 85 CL, 8 CV, 31 CVL)
- Added the names of the Kaiser pre-dreadnoughts (Friedrich III, Wilhelm II, etc.) to the end of the BB list, followed by the non-province names of other early BBs (e.g. Weissenburg, Wittelsbach), and a few other old Germanic noble dynasties in the Wittelsbach/Wettin vein.
- Shifted a few BB names (the heroes and gods of myth types, e.g. Beowulf, Odin) to BC. Further extended BC with a few other references to Germanic myth.
- Added several 18th century generals and some grandmasters of the Teutonic Order to the end of the CA list.
- Removed the individual DD names, as it is annoying to see DDs of the same class with a grab bag of prefixes.
- For CVs, added (or, in the case of Siegfried, transferred from BB) Wagnerian heroes... it seems like the sort of thing ole Adolf (may he rest in agony) would have enjoyed.
- I had previously standardized aircraft manufacturer abbreviations to the Xx format, but after further education, reversed myself since the system had many exceptions.
Great Britain (85 BB, 24 BC, 76 CA, 170 CL, 480 DD, 15 CV, 48 CVL)
- Reorganized BB to start with Royal Sovereign class (making later re-use of Howe, Anson, Rodney, etc. less chaotic).
- Expanded BC list by using some earlier BB's (e.g. Victoria/Sans Pariel), some older line-of-battle names not previous included, and then tossed in several fictional BC names, Britain being the most likely builder of 10+ BCs, especially given the program's tendency to classify some clearly BB designs as BC.
- Cleaned up the cruiser and destroyer lists. Added several extra counties and some leftover classic myth names to CA. Said "what the hell" and added every remaining DD constructed in the WWI building programs, plus names reserved for DD's never completed... if you run out of DD names for the UK, it might be time to scale down the in-game budget a smidge.
- Replaced duplicated CVs with some high-level fictional names (Commonwealth, Brittania, and the like).
- Cleaned up the CVLs to more closely track with historical build order.
- Added many aircraft names, and yet not nearly as many as I could have... the British had a lot of prototypes to name between 1915 and 1945. Did not add the famous Sopwith types from WWI (Pup, Camel, etc.), as it seemed inappropriate to me, they would sound too weird attached to any other manufacturer. Although, Lord knows, some of the names the Brits used (e.g. Knuckleduster, Welkin, Gannet, Wapiti) sound weird attached to *any* manufacturer.
Italy (34 BB, 14 BC, 34 CA, 42 CL, 126 DD, 167 SS, 13 CV, 21 CVL)
- Added a few 1880s/90s builds to the beginning of the BB list. Also added the Littorios in appropriate order.
- Following on from Lepanto, replaced the (duplicative) regional BC names with some Italian naval battles and historical figures from antiquity; tacked on a couple of 1880s B builds to the end to pad the list.
- Took the existing CV names (uninspiring to my ear) and moved most of them to CVL. Replaced with names largely inspired by the honorific titles of those Roman legions that did not name themselves after a region or an emperor, so Fulminata, Victrix, etc.; (hopefully) suitably modified into modern Italian. This solution remains problematic IMO, in that the result arguably now sounds like a cheap knockoff of British practices, but obvs you can replace with any alternative that suits if you're worried about Italy building an active force of 4-8 CVs.
- Added Condottieri CLs
- Tacked on a couple of one-off cruisers from the late 19th century (Dogali, Libia) to the CA list
- Added the early Lampo class, several interwar classes, and some late 19th century small torpedo cruisers to the DD list
- Added many interwar and WWII SS
Japan (77 BB, 54 BC, 84 CA, 101 CL, 177 DD, 19 CV, 30 CVL) ... the excess BB/BC are from the original file, not my doing.
- Placed the unbuilt Amagi BCs in the CV list after the historically constructed CVs, then added a few fictional names from history and myth.
- Padded CVLs with some fictional Maru names stolen from Japanese gunboats.
- After removing many dupes (seriously, there's like a dozen) in the aircraft name list, scrounged for every other name of a pre-45 Japanese airframe I could readily find, then added several fictional ones using Google translate.
Russia (57 BB, 19 BC, 61 CA, 98 CL, 184 DD, 72 SS, 12 CV, 28 CVL)
- In CVs, changed Leningrad back to Sankt Peterburg (again, 1900 start).
- Took a run at making the names more chronological, but the Imperial Russian fleet was such an organizational mess (with three widely dispersed theaters, inconsistent design strategies, repeated renaming of vessels, and other incongruities, not to mention the complete disconnect between imperial and Soviet naming conventions) that in the end it isn't worth the effort.
Spain (24 BB, 8 BC, 25 CA, 41 CL, 59 DD, 8 SS, 8 CV, 14 CVL)
- Added many BC, CA, and CL names using Imperial Spanish ships-of-the-line (no saint shall be left un-honored!).
USA (48 BB, 21 BC, 54 CA, 85 CL, 317 DD, 224 SS, 30 CV, 54 CVL)
- Reorganized the BCs completely, moving Alaska and Hawaii (and the other, never built territories like Samoa) toward the end of an otherwise mostly fictional list, using Original Six and other Revolution-inspired names for the remaining padding.
- Overhauled the CA and CL lists to incorporate all the cruiser names used by the USN from c. 1885 onward. Subsequently, stripped out all the duplicates to fit my own rule, despite recognizing that the USN basically named all its cruisers, heavy or light, from a single pool. Added city names not historically used to make up the deficit.
- Added every WWII SS name from Barracuda onward, in order.
- Overhauled the CV and CVL lists to remove names of WWII battles (that may be totally irrelevant to your game's alternate history), incorporate a few historical carriers that were missed in the default list, and toss in a few extra CV options.
- Removed or altered a few aircraft names, e.g. Airacobra -> Cobra (since that was purely a Bell thing). Added many other names of prototypes, some fictional (but thematically consistent) options, and a few jet-era names at the end.
I prefer to take names out of lists that are duplicated in other classes (e.g. Lexington and Saratoga as BC and CV), obvs YMMV.
I have trimmed out some potentially anachronistic names (especially the US CVLs named for WWII battles), but this is not consistent and probably cannot be done in a way that will satisfy all users. In general I personally don't have a problem with WWI-inspired names; the generals, admirals, and conflict zones of the historical WWI were very likely to be historically prominent regardless of what alternate history you (vaguely) explore with a 1900 start, and they are generally far enough down the list order that they're not going to show up for a vessel built in e.g. 1906. Cases like the Italian battleship Littorio (named after the lictor, bearer of the fasces in ancient Rome, a symbol from which the term fascism is derived, thus the appeal to Mussolini) present paradoxical incentives: if we build battleships, we want their names to resonate with our understanding of famous historical examples, and Littorio definitely qualifies; however, the choice of this name would never have come about under a non-fascist government, so you could choose to strike it as anachronistic for a 1900 start on that basis. *shrugs*
Aircraft name and manufacturer lists are expanded to reflect a 1900 start, instead of purely focusing on WWII aircraft as the default lists do.
All nations:
- removed ALL duplicates - Excel COUNTIFS is a wonderful thing
- corrected some spelling errors
- added more historical aircraft manufacturers
- set all [Aircraft names] that are number sequences to start with 1 (in keeping with the 1900 start date... 1920 starts will probably sound more "historical" with the default values)
- various minor adjustments to list order
Austria (37 BB, 14 BC, 32 CA, 39 CL, 126 DD, 10 CV, 23 CVL)
- A near-complete overhaul, with many names shifting between types and substantial additions.
- BBs simplified to historical names plus the regional names previously allocated to CV
- BC list is now major (victorious) Austrian battles and several prominent military leaders of the Habsburg Empire.
- CAs now comprise most of the remaining historical names for sizeable ships not classified as B or BB, plus a mixture of historical figures, major cities, and some more Austrian/Hungarian land victories.
- CLs are the historical smaller cruisers, a bunch of miscellaneous names of monitors/ironclads/etc., substantial rivers, and several mid-size cities in Austria and Hungary proper.
- DDs are historical destroyers, historical torpedo boats whose names fit the animal-name style of the historical DDs, a couple of other torpedo boat/corvette series (e.g. the Komet/Planet/Blitz group), and then for padding we have Greek myth and minor cities of the A-H Empire.
- Gave CVs two prominent historical rulers not covered in the rest of the A-H list, then used mountain ranges.
- CVLs inherited most of the bird names from the late 19th century torpedo boats.
France (57 BB, 22 BC, 50 CA, 67 CL, 169 DD, 161 SS, 10 CV, 22 CVL)
- Extended BB list with some pre-dreadnoughts not covered in the default file, plus names from historical ships-of-the-line.
- Extended BC list with further examples of prominent French cities and some recycled ironclad names.
- Extended CA list with Napoleonic marshals not historically used elsewhere, several other historical military commanders (e.g. Duc de Berry, Comte de Saxe), and a couple of leftover coastal defense names from the 1880s.
- Extended CL list with several historical ships-of-the-line not used for BBs.
- Changed CVs to include more historical military figures, two of France's greatest rulers (Henry IV, Louis XIV), and a couple of ship-of-the-line names that seemed potentially appropriate.
- Added many SS.
- Added interwar/WWII DD.
Germany (50 BB, 21 BC, 29 CA, 85 CL, 8 CV, 31 CVL)
- Added the names of the Kaiser pre-dreadnoughts (Friedrich III, Wilhelm II, etc.) to the end of the BB list, followed by the non-province names of other early BBs (e.g. Weissenburg, Wittelsbach), and a few other old Germanic noble dynasties in the Wittelsbach/Wettin vein.
- Shifted a few BB names (the heroes and gods of myth types, e.g. Beowulf, Odin) to BC. Further extended BC with a few other references to Germanic myth.
- Added several 18th century generals and some grandmasters of the Teutonic Order to the end of the CA list.
- Removed the individual DD names, as it is annoying to see DDs of the same class with a grab bag of prefixes.
- For CVs, added (or, in the case of Siegfried, transferred from BB) Wagnerian heroes... it seems like the sort of thing ole Adolf (may he rest in agony) would have enjoyed.
- I had previously standardized aircraft manufacturer abbreviations to the Xx format, but after further education, reversed myself since the system had many exceptions.
Great Britain (85 BB, 24 BC, 76 CA, 170 CL, 480 DD, 15 CV, 48 CVL)
- Reorganized BB to start with Royal Sovereign class (making later re-use of Howe, Anson, Rodney, etc. less chaotic).
- Expanded BC list by using some earlier BB's (e.g. Victoria/Sans Pariel), some older line-of-battle names not previous included, and then tossed in several fictional BC names, Britain being the most likely builder of 10+ BCs, especially given the program's tendency to classify some clearly BB designs as BC.
- Cleaned up the cruiser and destroyer lists. Added several extra counties and some leftover classic myth names to CA. Said "what the hell" and added every remaining DD constructed in the WWI building programs, plus names reserved for DD's never completed... if you run out of DD names for the UK, it might be time to scale down the in-game budget a smidge.
- Replaced duplicated CVs with some high-level fictional names (Commonwealth, Brittania, and the like).
- Cleaned up the CVLs to more closely track with historical build order.
- Added many aircraft names, and yet not nearly as many as I could have... the British had a lot of prototypes to name between 1915 and 1945. Did not add the famous Sopwith types from WWI (Pup, Camel, etc.), as it seemed inappropriate to me, they would sound too weird attached to any other manufacturer. Although, Lord knows, some of the names the Brits used (e.g. Knuckleduster, Welkin, Gannet, Wapiti) sound weird attached to *any* manufacturer.
Italy (34 BB, 14 BC, 34 CA, 42 CL, 126 DD, 167 SS, 13 CV, 21 CVL)
- Added a few 1880s/90s builds to the beginning of the BB list. Also added the Littorios in appropriate order.
- Following on from Lepanto, replaced the (duplicative) regional BC names with some Italian naval battles and historical figures from antiquity; tacked on a couple of 1880s B builds to the end to pad the list.
- Took the existing CV names (uninspiring to my ear) and moved most of them to CVL. Replaced with names largely inspired by the honorific titles of those Roman legions that did not name themselves after a region or an emperor, so Fulminata, Victrix, etc.; (hopefully) suitably modified into modern Italian. This solution remains problematic IMO, in that the result arguably now sounds like a cheap knockoff of British practices, but obvs you can replace with any alternative that suits if you're worried about Italy building an active force of 4-8 CVs.
- Added Condottieri CLs
- Tacked on a couple of one-off cruisers from the late 19th century (Dogali, Libia) to the CA list
- Added the early Lampo class, several interwar classes, and some late 19th century small torpedo cruisers to the DD list
- Added many interwar and WWII SS
Japan (77 BB, 54 BC, 84 CA, 101 CL, 177 DD, 19 CV, 30 CVL) ... the excess BB/BC are from the original file, not my doing.
- Placed the unbuilt Amagi BCs in the CV list after the historically constructed CVs, then added a few fictional names from history and myth.
- Padded CVLs with some fictional Maru names stolen from Japanese gunboats.
- After removing many dupes (seriously, there's like a dozen) in the aircraft name list, scrounged for every other name of a pre-45 Japanese airframe I could readily find, then added several fictional ones using Google translate.
Russia (57 BB, 19 BC, 61 CA, 98 CL, 184 DD, 72 SS, 12 CV, 28 CVL)
- In CVs, changed Leningrad back to Sankt Peterburg (again, 1900 start).
- Took a run at making the names more chronological, but the Imperial Russian fleet was such an organizational mess (with three widely dispersed theaters, inconsistent design strategies, repeated renaming of vessels, and other incongruities, not to mention the complete disconnect between imperial and Soviet naming conventions) that in the end it isn't worth the effort.
Spain (24 BB, 8 BC, 25 CA, 41 CL, 59 DD, 8 SS, 8 CV, 14 CVL)
- Added many BC, CA, and CL names using Imperial Spanish ships-of-the-line (no saint shall be left un-honored!).
USA (48 BB, 21 BC, 54 CA, 85 CL, 317 DD, 224 SS, 30 CV, 54 CVL)
- Reorganized the BCs completely, moving Alaska and Hawaii (and the other, never built territories like Samoa) toward the end of an otherwise mostly fictional list, using Original Six and other Revolution-inspired names for the remaining padding.
- Overhauled the CA and CL lists to incorporate all the cruiser names used by the USN from c. 1885 onward. Subsequently, stripped out all the duplicates to fit my own rule, despite recognizing that the USN basically named all its cruisers, heavy or light, from a single pool. Added city names not historically used to make up the deficit.
- Added every WWII SS name from Barracuda onward, in order.
- Overhauled the CV and CVL lists to remove names of WWII battles (that may be totally irrelevant to your game's alternate history), incorporate a few historical carriers that were missed in the default list, and toss in a few extra CV options.
- Removed or altered a few aircraft names, e.g. Airacobra -> Cobra (since that was purely a Bell thing). Added many other names of prototypes, some fictional (but thematically consistent) options, and a few jet-era names at the end.