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Post by dizzy on May 30, 2019 12:31:36 GMT -6
Simplicity is Godliness. While I agree with these ideas, mycophobia, I think maybe a 'neater' coding solution could be had than what is and has been discussed?
Short of any historically accurate information on an example of where some ammo was removed from a ship and the process didn't involve trying to prove it was Colonel Mustard in the Pantry with the candlestick, we can only go by logic, and logic tells me it'd take far less time to move ammo around on a tiny DD when the shells weigh only 2% of the weight of a BB shell.
If you want to keep it simple, stupid then HALVE the time it takes an unarmored DD to change ammo. But I have a better idea. I like multipliers for ammo and class! I think to change ammo, the MORE ammo you add or take away, the more time it takes! So, if you're just adjusting a few rounds, not much more time than a standard refit if at all, but there's also a class modifier as well. So for armored larger ships that have their ammo built inside the turret wrapped around spirally winding up at the weirdest angles, yeah, look for a year to tackle that problem.
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Post by tortugapower on May 30, 2019 17:35:04 GMT -6
... I'd agree that 12 months seems like a long time. I do agree that people used to abuse that in RtW1 and can understand that, in coding the program, it was easy to put in one rule for changing ammo storage. But a year... I could just about replace the engineering plant in a year. Mention it in the suggestions thread and let it go. You and ramjb yelling at each other isn't advancing the cause; you are generating heat, not light.I've never heard this last expression. Very nice! |
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Post by oldpop2000 on May 30, 2019 17:56:15 GMT -6
... I'd agree that 12 months seems like a long time. I do agree that people used to abuse that in RtW1 and can understand that, in coding the program, it was easy to put in one rule for changing ammo storage. But a year... I could just about replace the engineering plant in a year. Mention it in the suggestions thread and let it go. You and ramjb yelling at each other isn't advancing the cause; you are generating heat, not light.I've never heard this last expression. Very nice! The phrase is from Hamlet, Polonius says it. He was Laertes's father and Laertes was Hamlet's best friend. |
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Post by tortugapower on May 30, 2019 22:40:55 GMT -6
(This is what happens with school "required reading"... nothing is retained.)
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Post by HaLe on May 31, 2019 5:16:32 GMT -6
And this also shows why it is required to read ^^
I have to admit that i didn't read the entire discussion, i read the first page and then went "meh i've seen stuff like that in the WoWS-Forum a bazillion times, whatever".
So i don't know if this really has not been commented yet, but just to make sure:
What nobody seems to take into account is that BUILDING TIME DEPENDS ON THE EFFORT PUT IN.
So, if i rebuild a capital ship and change the ammunition storages, i have to do an awful lot of work. I have to cut open 85 different armour plates, i have to redesign the entire ships balance, i have to reconstruct the entire hoist system etc.
This is much less of a problem when i only have to rebalance a ship that is 5% of my battleships weight, there is no armour i have to cut through and then weld back together again (which is a REALLY difficult thing, never ever underestimate it!) and the hoist system is a bunch of sailors running through the ship and carrying shells to whereever they are needed.
But what was forgotten (at least on the first page) is that these two things have an entirely different priority!
And the priority is in many cases what actually determines the build time.
The Clevelands where built in 14 Months bc the US Navy really really needed a bunch of cruisers.
The Dreadnought was a capital ship built in less than a year iirc, because GB saw the revolution of shipbuilding as an actually quite important thing.
The Mackensens and E-Yorcks where never finished because the german government decided that steel helmets where more important than a new capital ship laying around in the port.
And this leads back to my capital ship and my destroyer which both need a new ammunition storage.
The Destroyer is one of 100 Destroyers. If you happen to be the US, it's one of the 130.450 Destroyers that you just casually built. If that one Destroyer is in for refits, nobody is really going to notice it because there are 99 (or 130.449) other Destroyers to do its job. And it's laying in a small yard somewhere in the countryside. A yard that would otherwise propably build your 101st Destroyer that you don't really need either and that can be built by quite literally any other yard in existence.
So who will do the work?
Exactly, a bunch of local guys and their sheep, and the intern in the construction bureau will do the design work. You could of course send 1000 of your best welders to assist them and all the chief designers to rebalance the ship. In that case, the work would propably be done in the morning and all these guys get a free afternoon. But the local guys are alone (Yes they still have the sheep, but it is propably not very good at welding).
When my capital ship needs that refit, things are a bit different.
Even when you happen to be the US, you have only a handful of battleships, and half of these battleships are old and slow. Every missing battleship will hurt.
And when you send a battleship into the yard, you have to choose one of the biggest yards in your country. Yards that would otherwise build another battleship that you really need, or build a luxusliner or other fancy stuff.
So if this yard is blocked, it is a much bigger problem and you want to get your battleship out there as soon as possible. And thus you will not send a bunch of guys and a sheep, but 1000 of your best welders and all the chief designers. And they will do the work a lot faster.
So, long story short:
A refit for a destroyer requires a lot less work indeed, but there will also be fewer guys working on it.
P.S.: Yes i was joking around a fair bit and my english is terrible, but i think you get my point.
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Post by director on Jun 1, 2019 0:03:01 GMT -6
dizzy - not really trying to make an excuse, just pointing out that this is how it is and how to request changes. RtW has a tiny, tiny staff, so... if it isn't a major problem, it may not get changed soon or ever.
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