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Post by secondcomingofzeno on Jun 16, 2019 3:02:11 GMT -6
Look, this is just silly.
I have my grant awesome battlefleet at the ready, we spot the enemy battlefleet...
Surely we have them by the balls! We're going to Tsushima them! Then we can take those lovely colonies or blockade them!
Oh wait they declined and teleported away I guess. Despite my ships being faster too, or despite carriers being present.
If a fleet battle is refused, we should be talking about 10's of thousands of VP lost, a colony invasion, or an automatic blockade for a few turns, or SOMETHING!
I think out of all these playthroughs I have seen 1-2 fleet battles tops.
The AI just keeps cheesing my games and refusing literally everything I can beat them in, and 'magically' outnumber my cruisers 2-1 in cruiser battles.
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Post by dorn on Jun 16, 2019 4:48:12 GMT -6
Look, this is just silly. I have my grant awesome battlefleet at the ready, we spot the enemy battlefleet... Surely we have them by the balls! We're going to Tsushima them! Then we can take those lovely colonies or blockade them! Oh wait they declined and teleported away I guess. Despite my ships being faster too, or despite carriers being present. If a fleet battle is refused, we should be talking about 10's of thousands of VP lost, a colony invasion, or an automatic blockade for a few turns, or SOMETHING! I think out of all these playthroughs I have seen 1-2 fleet battles tops. The AI just keeps cheesing my games and refusing literally everything I can beat them in, and 'magically' outnumber my cruisers 2-1 in cruiser battles. How many cruisers have you and AI in that area? I have regularly advantage in numbers in cruiser battles in areas where I have large number of cruisers. |
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Post by secondcomingofzeno on Jun 16, 2019 4:54:33 GMT -6
Look, this is just silly. I have my grant awesome battlefleet at the ready, we spot the enemy battlefleet... Surely we have them by the balls! We're going to Tsushima them! Then we can take those lovely colonies or blockade them! Oh wait they declined and teleported away I guess. Despite my ships being faster too, or despite carriers being present. If a fleet battle is refused, we should be talking about 10's of thousands of VP lost, a colony invasion, or an automatic blockade for a few turns, or SOMETHING! I think out of all these playthroughs I have seen 1-2 fleet battles tops. The AI just keeps cheesing my games and refusing literally everything I can beat them in, and 'magically' outnumber my cruisers 2-1 in cruiser battles. How many cruisers have you and AI in that area? I have regularly advantage in numbers in cruiser battles in areas where I have large number of cruisers. Usually the same number, with larger CL's or CA's. |
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Post by rimbecano on Jun 16, 2019 19:36:50 GMT -6
If a fleet battle is refused, we should be talking about 10's of thousands of VP lost, a colony invasion, or an automatic blockade for a few turns, or SOMETHING! Not really. There was only one fleet battle in WWI, and the naval war, honestly, didn't greatly affect the outcome. |
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Post by secondcomingofzeno on Jun 16, 2019 19:59:30 GMT -6
If a fleet battle is refused, we should be talking about 10's of thousands of VP lost, a colony invasion, or an automatic blockade for a few turns, or SOMETHING! Not really. There was only one fleet battle in WWI, and the naval war, honestly, didn't greatly affect the outcome. I am certain that if one side wanted to force a fleet engagement, it would have happened. Where is the enemy going to run to? The ports? Then you've won the naval war. |
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Post by alsadius on Jun 16, 2019 20:56:39 GMT -6
If a fleet battle is refused, we should be talking about 10's of thousands of VP lost, a colony invasion, or an automatic blockade for a few turns, or SOMETHING! Not really. There was only one fleet battle in WWI, and the naval war, honestly, didn't greatly affect the outcome. The naval war was absolutely essential to WW1. The battles didn't matter, sure, but the war mattered a lot. The Allies could trade with the outside world, and the Central Powers could not. As a result, the Allies got to use their colonial resources and manpower, run their economies with full access to the world's economy, and shuttle armies around to different theatres as needed. The Central Powers were stuck with their own internal resources and markets, and their nations collapsed under the strain. Of the eight major powers in WW1, four collapsed and suffered catastrophic revolutions that removed them from the war. All four were cut off from outside trade. All four that survived revolution-free were trading throughout the war, and had dramatically higher standards of living as a result. |
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Post by rimbecano on Jun 16, 2019 21:17:59 GMT -6
Not really. There was only one fleet battle in WWI, and the naval war, honestly, didn't greatly affect the outcome. I am certain that if one side wanted to force a fleet engagement, it would have happened. Where is the enemy going to run to? The ports? Then you've won the naval war. The entire reason there was only one fleet engagement is that there was only one time that both sides felt confident enough that they could win that they left port and committed their forces, followed by the forces actually finding each other. And when the Germans discovered that the whole Grand Fleet was present, they disengaged and headed back to port, and the British were unable to force the engagement. The Germans ended up winning in terms of ships sunk, but they failed to isolate and destroy the Grand Fleet, so the status quo continued. |
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Post by dorn on Jun 17, 2019 1:38:25 GMT -6
Not really. There was only one fleet battle in WWI, and the naval war, honestly, didn't greatly affect the outcome. I am certain that if one side wanted to force a fleet engagement, it would have happened. Where is the enemy going to run to? The ports? Then you've won the naval war. How you can win naval war?
I will take example of WW1. RN blockade Germany by surface fleet mainly and Germany blockade UK by submarines. So winning naval war would be for Germany to starve UK to negotiation table or cancel blockade. How you can cancel blockade by sailing your fleet sometimes out. UK can win naval war by defending against U-Boats or by blockading Germany to starve their economy. They with difficulty both.
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