"Enemy fleets dominate seas around X"

[thesovietonion]

Every turn I'm bombarded by multiple messages informing me that the enemy dominates the seas around various areas and that I am therefore losing VPs. When I check the force balance in that sea zone, I have a major battlegroup and the enemy will have a single light cruiser and some DDs. 

What gives?

[sittingduck]

Same here.
My CA,CL is "dominated" by their 2 DD. Or my SEA fleet is dominated by their miniscule few dinky itty bitty nothings.

[mycophobia]

This happens to me a lot more often in the early game, and seems to stop quickly after the dreadnought age begin. Not sure why, but maybe can help with working out what is the issue.

[dizzy]

I can confirm this and I think this is a bug that needs to be looked at. I was getting this all over the place in my Spanish campaign. I was the one dominating the seas, yet I was losing VP's. Gotta be a bug. Also, I had one of my own ships get intercepted for raider mission. My own ship sunk another of my ships. So strange. I suspect this is part of why my invasion was not triggering, the game was thinking my own ships were the enemy and the seas were dominated by my own ships.

Thanks for posting this thesovietonion Seriously should be looked at.

[jishmael]

I do have the same Events, I basically ignored the messages as I had no free forces anyway, and then I realized that im being "dominated" at jamaica by a single CL vs a B + full escorts.

Is this new wih 1.04?

[wknehring]

Same here:
Game (1900) with Italy (I am blockading France!) about 1918- 95% of my fleet in the Mediterranian- enemy dominates Rhodes lose xxxVP
Game (1900) with the US about 1907- 1 CA, 2 CL, 4 DD at Northern Pacific- enemy dominates Northern Aleutians with 2 CL.
Game (1900) with Germany about 1945- 3 CA, 2 CVL, 4 CL, 12 DD, about 400 planes in Indian Ocean- enemy dominates the seas around Tanganyika (1 BB, 8DD, 3 medium airbases)
Game (1920) with Germany about 1952- my whole fleet in Northern Europe (4BB, 2BC, 2CV, 4CVL, 10CA, ~20CL, ~40DD, ~10KE, ~20 coastal subs, ~2000 planes- Germany, Eastern Prussia, Baltic States, Norway- all possible slots built with airbases 120 planes each + carriers)- Russia (3BB, ~20CA, 1CVL, 0CL, ~10DD, no subs, ~400 planes)- dominates the sea around Eastern Prussia (imagine- have to go around Reval, Libau, Pillau and Danzig- each 40 DB, 20 TB, 20 MB! and than there are Kolberg and Riga with 40 MB and 20 FB each in support range; next Russian airbase is at Khronstadt)- of course Russia dominates the sea around Eastern Prussia

[thesovietonion]

Yeah, new to 1.04 as far as I can tell.

[mrbojangles]

I experienced a similar but not-quite-the-same error. Playing as the US, at war with Germany, I somehow completely blockaded them with only a handful of ships in Northern Europe despite the bulk of their fleet being there.

[dizzy]

I'm at war with China, the UK, France and Germany and own Hong Kong, Borneo and Java. Adding it all up is 215 for the enemy and 149 for me in Southeast Asia. My force is 69.3% of the enemy force. They consist of 144.3% of my force. They are only 66 points higher than me. What is the threshold of 'Dominate'? Also, is there a 'Dominate' multiplier when facing more than one enemy nation at war? I'd like to know how this works.

[aeson]

Guys, bear in mind that intelligence reports - like, for example, the summaries of enemy forces in a sea zone that you can get by hovering over a sea zone in the map tab of the main game window - are not guaranteed to be perfectly accurate, and also more likely reflect what was there last turn than this turn.

[thesovietonion]

I totally understand our imperfect view of the world. I love that, actually. It just seems odd that for ten turns in a row the enemy can be shown to have nothing but a few DDs and a single old CL and somehow be dominating my entire battle fleet.

[dizzy]

Jun 17, 2019 19:44:57 GMT -6 thesovietonion said:

I totally understand our imperfect view of the world. I love that, actually. It just seems odd that for ten turns in a row the enemy can be shown to have nothing but a few DDs and a single old CL and somehow be dominating my entire battle fleet.

This

[rimbecano]

Jun 17, 2019 19:32:06 GMT -6 aeson said:

Guys, bear in mind that intelligence reports - like, for example, the summaries of enemy forces in a sea zone that you can get by hovering over a sea zone in the map tab of the main game window - are not guaranteed to be perfectly accurate, and also more likely reflect what was there last turn than this turn.

To my knowledge, though, it's rarely, if ever, off by as much as is being reported.

I've not run into the issue myself. Just to confirm, for the people reporting the issue, most of your ships in the zone are in AF status, right? I know that reserved and mothballed ships don't count for determining blockades/domination, I'm not sure about TP and such.

[dizzy]

rimbecano I posted some screens above that show the numbers. No, while at war, my ships are not in Reserve. This goes on turn after turn. I even had the strange circumstance in another game where one of my Raiders intercepted another of my raiders and they fought each other and sunk my own ship. Submarines were around 75 on either side. Something is wrong. Very wrong.

[rimbecano]

Jun 18, 2019 1:25:48 GMT -6 dizzy said:

No, while at war, my ships are not in Reserve.

Didn't think so, just wanted to eliminate that as a possibility.