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Post by steel selachian on Apr 19, 2015 20:16:22 GMT -6
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Post by oldpop2000 on Apr 19, 2015 21:27:41 GMT -6
Just some good old Russian equipment. I hope the Iranian's aren't watching, they might be a little worried. I know the Indian's are.
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Post by steel selachian on May 10, 2015 0:13:28 GMT -6
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Post by oldpop2000 on May 10, 2015 7:25:45 GMT -6
Well, it's vodka time again boys!! That's what you get for practicing with Moskva's.
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Post by steel selachian on May 10, 2015 21:28:40 GMT -6
They just are not having a good week, are they? foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/sa-11-buk-missile-system-catches-fire-during-victory-1703419253To get this to some kind of serious discussion, the one incident that made a lot of news was the apparent breakdown or stall of a brand new T-14 Armata tank during the Red Square parade: www.youtube.com/watch?v=S93ebaJXtXULaughter aside, one thing I'm curious about with this tank is the design specs; it's supposed to be a three-man vehicle with the crew contained up front in a sealed "capsule" with no access to the gun or ammo. Have to wonder about the crew workload and what happens if it does break down in the field. Also, from looking at some closeup pics it appears to have a ton of geegaws built into the turret structure for the "Afghanit" active protection system. Wonder how the armor layout is in those areas and how it'll fare when a HEAT or sabot round hits those points.
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Post by oldpop2000 on May 11, 2015 7:43:15 GMT -6
They just are not having a good week, are they? foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/sa-11-buk-missile-system-catches-fire-during-victory-1703419253To get this to some kind of serious discussion, the one incident that made a lot of news was the apparent breakdown or stall of a brand new T-14 Armata tank during the Red Square parade: www.youtube.com/watch?v=S93ebaJXtXULaughter aside, one thing I'm curious about with this tank is the design specs; it's supposed to be a three-man vehicle with the crew contained up front in a sealed "capsule" with no access to the gun or ammo. Have to wonder about the crew workload and what happens if it does break down in the field. Also, from looking at some closeup pics it appears to have a ton of geegaws built into the turret structure for the "Afghanit" active protection system. Wonder how the armor layout is in those areas and how it'll fare when a HEAT or sabot round hits those points. Well, at least the band sounded good. This was a pre-production tank, no doubt it will have some equipment problems before production really gets going. As to the turretless, afghanit active protection system, the Russian's are about fifteen years behind the US and others. We implemented this kind of active protection after Iraqi Freedom during the chaos and insurgent activity. I don't know if the autoloader, unmanned turret is workable in combat. Nothing new, really. Basing all you main armored systems on one chassis is a good idea for commonality and logistics. The real problem for Putin is that he might slip into the old regiment that killed the Soviet Union. Over spending on the military and draining the economy. It could happen again if he doesn't get orders for that new weapons system and from what I've read, the Russian equipment isn't that much in demand due to poor designs, maintenance and support.
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Post by steel selachian on May 11, 2015 17:52:35 GMT -6
As I recall, the main flaws with the autoloaders the Russians have used on their previous tanks have been rate of fire (apparently a private with some guns of his own did better; the T-64 and T-72 have been quoted as being capable of 6-8 rounds per minute while a trained M-60 crew could manage 17 rounds in a "mad minute") and that the system required having ready ammo out of the magazine to reload, meaning a better chance of a catastrophic kill if the turret was hit. I don't know if those two issues have been fixed yet. The main issues I would note with the proposed crew arrangement would be that the front area of the tank looks cramped for a crew of three and whether the tank commander and gunner would be able to have the same level of situational awareness as they would being in the turret.
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Post by oldpop2000 on May 11, 2015 18:06:32 GMT -6
As I recall, the main flaws with the autoloaders the Russians have used on their previous tanks have been rate of fire (apparently a private with some guns of his own did better; the T-64 and T-72 have been quoted as being capable of 6-8 rounds per minute while a trained M-60 crew could manage 17 rounds in a "mad minute") and that the system required having ready ammo out of the magazine to reload, meaning a better chance of a catastrophic kill if the turret was hit. I don't know if those two issues have been fixed yet. The main issues I would note with the proposed crew arrangement would be that the front area of the tank looks cramped for a crew of three and whether the tank commander and gunner would be able to have the same level of situational awareness as they would being in the turret. The main problem with autoloaders is the fact that the gun has to be lowered each time the gun fires, to enable the autoloader to perform. If you are locked on target, then you have to break that lock, the gun lowers, it is reloaded, then the gun is raised back to the original position. This takes time, and that could mean your doom. I don't like the crew in front, that's where you are probably going to get hit. The side and back are second and third. Better to distribute the crew around the tank. You can deal with explosions as the Abrams does. I believe that unless the autoloader is meticulously maintained, something difficult in combat, if it fails in a crewless turret, then you are mission killed easily. It will be very hard to get into that turret to repair or operate the gun; which is the main reason for having the tank.
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Post by steel selachian on May 13, 2015 17:07:59 GMT -6
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Post by oldpop2000 on May 13, 2015 17:24:05 GMT -6
Most likely, but it will be on your kindle and it will have additions like shoulder fired anti-tank weapons, IED and such.
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