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Post by Enderminion on Apr 19, 2017 4:56:36 GMT -6
after the war, the USN wanted to replace all of the 40mm guns with 3 inch AA guns, and remove the 20mm's because they had to short of a range. is this is right oldpop2000?
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Post by oldpop2000 on Apr 19, 2017 7:22:13 GMT -6
after the war, the USN wanted to replace all of the 40mm guns with 3 inch AA guns, and remove the 20mm's because they had to short of a range. is this is right oldpop2000 ? The career of the 20 mm was good and short, until the kamikazes, then it was only kept to maintain morale. The common phrase was " when the 20 mike mike's open up, duck". It's range was from 3450 yards at 10 degrees, up to 4800 at 45 degrees. Here is a good link to Navweaps information - www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_2cm-70_mk234.php
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Post by babylon218 on Apr 19, 2017 7:37:29 GMT -6
after the war, the USN wanted to replace all of the 40mm guns with 3 inch AA guns, and remove the 20mm's because they had to short of a range. is this is right oldpop2000 ? As oldpop2000 said above, but also, my grandfather served aboard an RN Loch-Class Frigate and the HMS Victorious during the Malaysian Confrontation during the 1960s and he told me that the light 20mm AA on the Loch Fada was basically pointless - in an age of jet aircraft, by the time the 20mm's were in range, the attacker had already dropped its payload and was thundering over you before you could even get off a shot. Short-range AA was essentially useless after WWII.
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Post by boomboomf22 on Apr 19, 2017 17:06:48 GMT -6
Fair enough. My information on ww2 ships is pretty limited, and mostly related to German stuff as they are the country I am the most interested in. 11" guns on a heavy cruiser . The Germans used a real mix of guns, everything from the 40mm Bofors and the 20mm Orkelion to their own single, double and quad 20mm and 37mm Flak guns, with the 88s for the longer range work As the war progressed, the aircraft became better armed and faster. This presented problems with the smaller caliber cannons like the 20 mm Oelikon's. They were excellent guns but just too small to really knock down at range, most aircraft. Oh, I knew that. The luftwaffe had the same issue with its 20mm guns on land, eventually canning or passing on to the army all their 20mm Flaks even the quads
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Post by oldpop2000 on Apr 19, 2017 20:31:02 GMT -6
If you are interested, I have posted a design for a Flight Deck Cruiser, the USS Grand Canyon in my Springsharp design thread on the general history forum. Take a look.
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Post by beastro on Apr 19, 2017 21:46:39 GMT -6
Even before then it was ineffective. By the time dive bombers were in range to be fired upon by it they'd already released their bombs.
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Post by boomboomf22 on Apr 19, 2017 22:16:13 GMT -6
If you are interested, I have posted a design for a Flight Deck Cruiser, the USS Grand Canyon in my Springsharp design thread on the general history forum. Take a look. Is there a general history forum to this website? How did I not know of this, I must investigate.
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Post by boomboomf22 on Apr 19, 2017 22:21:03 GMT -6
If you are interested, I have posted a design for a Flight Deck Cruiser, the USS Grand Canyon in my Springsharp design thread on the general history forum. Take a look. Is there a general history forum to this website? How did I not know of this, I must investigate. Found it. My issue with springsharp is there is no real tutorial that I have been able to find, and I basically have no idea what most of the terminology means, or even what would make sense for dimensions. If there is a way of generating them I don't know how due to lack of aforementioned tutorial
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Post by oldpop2000 on Apr 19, 2017 23:09:50 GMT -6
Is there a general history forum to this website? How did I not know of this, I must investigate. Found it. My issue with springsharp is there is no real tutorial that I have been able to find, and I basically have no idea what most of the terminology means, or even what would make sense for dimensions. If there is a way of generating them I don't know how due to lack of aforementioned tutorial You can look at this blog, he has Springsharp tips - dreadnought-cruisers.blogspot.com/2005/01/springsharp-tips.html - If you peruse his Springsharp designs over the years, I think you can get a good idea of how to use it. Here is the website and it has three discussion groups that have threads about Springsharp. Here is a pdf file containing notes on the software. Spring Style notes.pdf (61.53 KB) I hope this helps a little.
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Post by boomboomf22 on Apr 20, 2017 22:22:33 GMT -6
oldpop2000 thanks for the links, I will peruse them when I have more time available. Right now I have work at Macdonalds, exams and moving to top it all off. Blerg
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Post by oldpop2000 on Apr 20, 2017 22:25:19 GMT -6
oldpop2000 thanks for the links, I will peruse them when I have more time available. Right now I have work at Macdonalds, exams and moving to top it all off. Blerg Well, good luck on your exams and enjoy your job. I am always here to answer questions. I tend to agree, there are priorities in life.
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Post by boomboomf22 on Apr 21, 2017 11:00:51 GMT -6
oldpop2000 thanks for the links, I will peruse them when I have more time available. Right now I have work at Macdonalds, exams and moving to top it all off. Blerg Well, good luck on your exams and enjoy your job. I am always here to answer questions. I tend to agree, there are priorities in life. Thanks for the good wishes.
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Post by babylon218 on Apr 27, 2017 14:04:28 GMT -6
So, here is my Moltke-Class Colonial Battlecruiser from my last game as Germany: Specs are similar to this: Main difference is that I deleted the R Turret to free up displacement and thus make the class cheaper. I was experimenting with the concept of a 'Colonial Battlecruiser' - a light battlecruiser which could wrest distant seas from the enemy and maul her shipping lanes - at the very least occupying heavy opposing units to take pressure of the Battlefleet. This ship and its sister, S.M.S. Goeben, proved very useful during a war with France, wresting control of the Far East from her and securing my colonies in the Pacific. I ended up building two more 'Colonial Battlecruisers' to an updated design as the game went on (one with a superfiring aft centreline and one with two triple turrets). Unfortunately, this 1910s war with France turned out to be my last war of the game as a naval arms treaty kept tensions low until mid-1924, so the Colonial Battlecruisers and the Fleet Cousins never got a true test. Ideally, I'd have liked a war against Britain or the United States (or just France when she had more than one Dreadnought to throw at me!). Next time, I think I'll play past 1925 to see how the concept performs over a longer period of time.
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Post by cv10 on May 16, 2017 9:25:40 GMT -6
This is a design that I put together using Skwabie's mod that enables you to build over the 54,000 ton limit. I give you, the Saratoga-class Battlecruiser. These gargantuan ships have been the terror of the French, Russian, and British navies. Four salvos from just one of these ships delivered on target can wreck most enemy battleships.
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Post by babylon218 on May 16, 2017 9:31:31 GMT -6
This is a design that I put together using Skwabie's mod that enables you to build over the 54,000 ton limit. I give you, the Saratoga-class Battlecruiser. These gargantuan ships have been the terror of the French, Russian, and British navies. Four salvos from just one of these ships delivered on target can wreck most enemy battleships. From the looks of it, also the terror of the Treasury Depatment, I'd wager!
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