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Post by cv10 on May 16, 2017 9:39:10 GMT -6
This is a design that I put together using Skwabie's mod that enables you to build over the 54,000 ton limit. I give you, the Saratoga-class Battlecruiser. These gargantuan ships have been the terror of the French, Russian, and British navies. Four salvos from just one of these ships delivered on target can wreck most enemy battleships.
From the looks of it, also the terror of the Treasury Depatment, I'd wager! Yup, $378,520,000 a ship, with 1.72 million to operate per month! We justified the cost with the statement that dollar-per-ton of enemy ship sunk, we'd never have a more cost-effective fighting ship!
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Post by beastro on May 21, 2017 2:43:37 GMT -6
This is a design that I put together using Skwabie's mod that enables you to build over the 54,000 ton limit. I give you, the Saratoga-class Battlecruiser. These gargantuan ships have been the terror of the French, Russian, and British navies. Four salvos from just one of these ships delivered on target can wreck most enemy battleships. So you made a Tillman?
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Post by cv10 on May 21, 2017 8:32:19 GMT -6
This is a design that I put together using Skwabie's mod that enables you to build over the 54,000 ton limit. I give you, the Saratoga-class Battlecruiser. These gargantuan ships have been the terror of the French, Russian, and British navies. Four salvos from just one of these ships delivered on target can wreck most enemy battleships. So you made a Tillman? Yes I did. Senator Ben Tillman would be proud!
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Post by boomboomf22 on May 25, 2017 13:34:17 GMT -6
I would like to present HMS Agincourt, nameship of a class of 4 currently in operation with the British Royal Navy Of course she is going into action against this sort of thing
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Post by bcoopactual on May 25, 2017 13:47:28 GMT -6
Hmmm, I might put my money on the Germans. That many turrets on a British battlecruiser is like a Plinko board where all the slots say Flash Fire!!
Of course Agincourt's deck armor is nothing to sneeze at. I assume the turret tops are at least equal to that so depending on what the Germans did with their deck armor you might stand a good chance at distance.
What year is that? How the heck did they manage an 8x14", 29 knot battlecruiser with a 13" belt on 32,100 tons? Was there a mod active in this game?
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Post by boomboomf22 on May 25, 2017 15:18:15 GMT -6
Hmmm, I might put my money on the Germans. That many turrets on a British battlecruiser is like a Plinko board where all the slots say Flash Fire!! Of course Agincourt's deck armor is nothing to sneeze at. I assume the turret tops are at least equal to that so depending on what the Germans did with their deck armor you might stand a good chance at distance. What year is that? How the heck did they manage an 8x14", 29 knot battlecruiser with a 13" belt on 32,100 tons? Was there a mod active in this game? I mostly wanted to see if I could make that ridiculous design work (7 12" turrets . Incidentally it is as doubles and triples less effective game, which I feel pops up a bit too often, but oh well. It is 1920, and a arms treaty stalled ship design until 1909ish for the big boys. Agincourt has 3.5" turret top, so yah. Not sure how they (Germans) manage it as it has 3" deck, 13" turrets, and don't have AON so it is probably sloped deck with decent BE and DE from empirical experience. Ran up against one and it took 89ish 12" hits before sinking, and in the log most of those were outright bounces even from BE and DE. I didn't start to pen till I closed to around 7000 yards. Incidentally here is this universes HMS Dreadnought
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Post by brucesim2003 on May 25, 2017 16:45:30 GMT -6
The Hindenburg, being an AI BC will almost certainly have thin horizontal armour. Even the AI BB's generally aren't up to snuff. Normally they are even thinner than the Agincourt you have above, which for 1920 also has thin horizontal armour, imo.
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Post by boomboomf22 on May 25, 2017 17:02:17 GMT -6
The Hindenburg, being an AI BC will almost certainly have thin horizontal armour. Even the AI BB's generally aren't up to snuff. Normally they are even thinner than the Agincourt you have above, which for 1920 also has thin horizontal armour, imo. I tend to skimp on deck armor in my designs, cause it is so damn heavy. As for the Hindenburgs as said above they have 3", same as Agincourt. Agincourt was also commissioned in 1916, and with this being a 70% tech game that was acceptable at the time. Now the belt and turret are far too thin, but this game I was trying out British style BCs (tho none with 6" belts, even I am not that crazy)
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Post by boomboomf22 on May 25, 2017 17:07:06 GMT -6
Now these ships demonstrate my foolish love of heavy secondary batteries. One even lost all its secondary turrets to penetrating MA hits and surprisingly didn't explode.
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Post by joebob73 on May 26, 2017 16:42:02 GMT -6
Hmmm, I might put my money on the Germans. That many turrets on a British battlecruiser is like a Plinko board where all the slots say Flash Fire!! Of course Agincourt's deck armor is nothing to sneeze at. I assume the turret tops are at least equal to that so depending on what the Germans did with their deck armor you might stand a good chance at distance. What year is that? How the heck did they manage an 8x14", 29 knot battlecruiser with a 13" belt on 32,100 tons? Was there a mod active in this game? They usually make their BCs with Short range and Cramped quarters, which saves around 2k tons of weight. Pain in the ass to fight, but useless as a war prize for anyone but France or Italy.
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Post by boomboomf22 on May 26, 2017 18:05:57 GMT -6
I've seen them do that and not do it as well. The AI seems to decide based on how outclassed they are feeling. I've seen Russia and a couple of other countries build sa ships, including in one game the USA after I smashed basically its entire fleet as Germany
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Post by bcoopactual on May 29, 2017 18:11:44 GMT -6
Hmmm, I might put my money on the Germans. That many turrets on a British battlecruiser is like a Plinko board where all the slots say Flash Fire!! Of course Agincourt's deck armor is nothing to sneeze at. I assume the turret tops are at least equal to that so depending on what the Germans did with their deck armor you might stand a good chance at distance. What year is that? How the heck did they manage an 8x14", 29 knot battlecruiser with a 13" belt on 32,100 tons? Was there a mod active in this game? They usually make their BCs with Short range and Cramped quarters, which saves around 2k tons of weight. Pain in the ass to fight, but useless as a war prize for anyone but France or Italy. I just had the happen to me as well, got a nice 14 inch armed dreadnought from the French as the USA and decided that I couldn't keep it because it was short ranged and I almost always have to travel (strategically) to get to the fight when I'm at war. So in my latest game, it's the end of 1916, I finally got France to collapse after being at war with them for the third time in the first 13 years of the game. 1916 saw the commissioning of the last of my 14 inch armed California class BB's, my only 14 inch armed capital ships. I've recently researched the last of the 1916 Machinery/Armor/Hull Techs so I don't think I'll complete another weight saving tech for another 18 months or so and I also just got Increased Elevation. All of that means it's a good time to begin my next class of BB. I've decided that the max displacement for the new ships will be in the 34,000 ton range because that is a little larger than most of the rest of new constructions going for the other naval powers and I want to be able to build four of these. The General Board (me) initially wanted a balanced design with 14 inch guns so that they can share ballistics with the California's on the battleline so this is what I came up with. Design 1916BB A1 However, the ace in my hole cards is in June 1916, the Bureau of Ordnance introduced the 16 in/50 Mark 2 gun (+1 Quality). As much as I wanted a balanced design that could work with the California's, that 16 in (+1) is a ship wrecker. So I went back and put pencil to paper and came up with this. Design 1916BB B1 She essentially has no immunity zone from her own weapons but she's carrying eight of the world's best can openers. The Brits are the only other nation I'm aware of with 16 inch guns and they are my allies right now. [Edit - In this game I haven't been able to research, buy or steal Secondary Turrets for BB's yet so that is why my secondaries are still casemated.] Here is the 1914 penetration page for comparison. The max range is low because I have Increased Elevation but the penetrations numbers are actually spot on in-game right now. The 1916BB B1 design will be commissioned as the USS Alabama.
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Post by joebob73 on May 30, 2017 14:42:13 GMT -6
They usually make their BCs with Short range and Cramped quarters, which saves around 2k tons of weight. Pain in the ass to fight, but useless as a war prize for anyone but France or Italy. I just had the happen to me as well, got a nice 14 inch armed dreadnought from the French as the USA and decided that I couldn't keep it because it was short ranged and I almost always have to travel (strategically) to get to the fight when I'm at war. So in my latest game, it's the end of 1916, I finally got France to collapse after being at war with them for the third time in the first 13 years of the game. 1916 saw the commissioning of the last of my 14 inch armed California class BB's, my only 14 inch armed capital ships. I've recently researched the last of the 1916 Machinery/Armor/Hull Techs so I don't think I'll complete another weight saving tech for another 18 months or so and I also just got Increased Elevation. All of that means it's a good time to begin my next class of BB. I've decided that the max displacement for the new ships will be in the 34,000 ton range because that is a little larger than most of the rest of new constructions going for the other naval powers and I want to be able to build four of these. The General Board (me) initially wanted a balanced design with 14 inch guns so that they can share ballistics with the California's on the battleline so this is what I came up with. Design 1916BB A1 View AttachmentHowever, the ace in my hole cards is in June 1916, the Bureau of Ordnance introduced the 16 in/50 Mark 2 gun (+1 Quality). As much as I wanted a balanced design that could work with the California's, that 16 in (+1) is a ship wrecker. So I went back and put pencil to paper and came up with this. Design 1916BB B1 View AttachmentShe essentially has no immunity zone from her own weapons but she's carrying eight of the world's best can openers. The Brits are the only other nation I'm aware of with 16 inch guns and they are my allies right now. [Edit - In this game I haven't been able to research, buy or steal Secondary Turrets for BB's yet so that is why my secondaries are still casemated.] Here is the 1914 penetration page for comparison. The max range is low because I have Increased Elevation but the penetrations numbers are actually spot on in-game right now. View AttachmentThe 1916BB B1 design will be commissioned as the USS Alabama. Why do you use the 6" secondaries? 5" works just as well, fires faster, and takes less weight.
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Post by bcoopactual on May 30, 2017 16:14:16 GMT -6
Yes, you're right. I made the choice to stick to 6 inch secondaries based on gun quality. Right now my 5 inch guns are (0) and my 6 inch guns are (+1).
I usually start the game using 6 inch secondaries and will generally go to the one that gets +1 first as the game develops but if they are the same quality once I get Directors for my main guns then I switch to 5 inch guns for the reasons you mentioned.
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Post by luna on Jun 4, 2017 12:31:26 GMT -6
So I'm building my fleet flagship, it's scheduled for completion in 1920 which makes it one of the biggest ships in the world at that time but it's also such a substantial investment at 128M, which is nearly half of Japanese yearly budget, that building more than 1 would be nearly impossible. It's a very safe design, so it won't easily be outmatched in a long range fight and a welcome addition to my fleet which has only 4 modern capital ships. Turret tops are 4.5 inches by the way.
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