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Post by oldpop2000 on Mar 30, 2020 9:00:18 GMT -6
Ok. You know the game better than I, I am speaking from history, not the game. I guess the game is not following the actual historical sequence. I'd argue that IRL the case he's making is mostly fair. Certainly the USN felt that survivability of the torpedo bomber was more important than its speed, though USN bomber development tended towards maximizing firepower above any other trait. The Avenger was not a particularly fast bomber for 1942, and the Skyraider that replaced it wasn't particularly fast either. Almost all piston driven bombers are slow due to the power to weight of the bird and its wing loading. Wing loading is a key parameter for aircraft. The AD-1's was 46.6 lb/sq. Ft. The AD-1 Skyraider, or SPAD as we used to call had a maximum speed of well over 322 MPH at 18,000 feet. She was designed in the late forties, served in Vietnam and Korea as a low altitude bomber. She had fifteen external hard points and could carry over 8000 lbs. of ordnance. This was a very potent low altitude weapon for ground support which was her primary mission. She was also equipped with 4 x 20 mm. cannons. She served in many nations well past the 1960's. She was well armored against ground fire. She was originally designed as a Navy dive/torpedo bomber. For a bomber, she was fast, she was not a spitfire, P-51 Mustang or other single-engined fighters. all of whom, she outlived.
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Post by aetreus on Mar 30, 2020 15:37:51 GMT -6
I'd argue that IRL the case he's making is mostly fair. Certainly the USN felt that survivability of the torpedo bomber was more important than its speed, though USN bomber development tended towards maximizing firepower above any other trait. The Avenger was not a particularly fast bomber for 1942, and the Skyraider that replaced it wasn't particularly fast either. Almost all piston driven bombers are slow due to the power to weight of the bird and its wing loading. Wing loading is a key parameter for aircraft. The AD-1's was 46.6 lb/sq. Ft. The AD-1 Skyraider, or SPAD as we used to call had a maximum speed of well over 322 MPH at 18,000 feet. She was designed in the late forties, served in Vietnam and Korea as a low altitude bomber. She had fifteen external hard points and could carry over 8000 lbs. of ordnance. This was a very potent low altitude weapon for ground support which was her primary mission. She was also equipped with 4 x 20 mm. cannons. She served in many nations well past the 1960's. She was well armored against ground fire. She was originally designed as a Navy dive/torpedo bomber. For a bomber, she was fast, she was not a spitfire, P-51 Mustang or other single-engined fighters. all of whom, she outlived. Wingloading isn't particularly relevant to an aircraft's top speed, that is mostly driven by the powerloading(power per unit wing area) and the aircraft's form drag(essentially how big the engine/fuselage front is, for a single-engine aircraft). Once you start carrying heavy payload at the same time, wing area does become more important. The AD-1 is not a very fast bomber for its generation. The US BTD Destroyer that it evolved from, along with the Kaiser XBTK, Martin Mauler, were all faster aircraft built by the USN around the same time. Foreign attackers like the Blackburn Firebrand, Sea Hornet, IL-10M, or the Japanese B7A were from a similar generation and also significantly faster than the AD-1.
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Post by wlbjork on Apr 1, 2020 11:50:14 GMT -6
I'd argue that IRL the case he's making is mostly fair. Certainly the USN felt that survivability of the torpedo bomber was more important than its speed, though USN bomber development tended towards maximizing firepower above any other trait. The Avenger was not a particularly fast bomber for 1942, and the Skyraider that replaced it wasn't particularly fast either. Almost all piston driven bombers are slow due to the power to weight of the bird and its wing loading. Wing loading is a key parameter for aircraft. The AD-1's was 46.6 lb/sq. Ft. The AD-1 Skyraider, or SPAD as we used to call had a maximum speed of well over 322 MPH at 18,000 feet. She was designed in the late forties, served in Vietnam and Korea as a low altitude bomber. She had fifteen external hard points and could carry over 8000 lbs. of ordnance. This was a very potent low altitude weapon for ground support which was her primary mission. She was also equipped with 4 x 20 mm. cannons. She served in many nations well past the 1960's. She was well armored against ground fire. She was originally designed as a Navy dive/torpedo bomber. For a bomber, she was fast, she was not a spitfire, P-51 Mustang or other single-engined fighters. all of whom, she outlived. Not only that, but I seem to remember she got a couple of kills on jets to boot. Of course, it was the appearance of hostile major jet forces in Korea that pretty much forced the allied Fighter arms to switch to 2nd-gen jets to be able to compete.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Apr 2, 2020 7:09:19 GMT -6
Almost all piston driven bombers are slow due to the power to weight of the bird and its wing loading. Wing loading is a key parameter for aircraft. The AD-1's was 46.6 lb/sq. Ft. The AD-1 Skyraider, or SPAD as we used to call had a maximum speed of well over 322 MPH at 18,000 feet. She was designed in the late forties, served in Vietnam and Korea as a low altitude bomber. She had fifteen external hard points and could carry over 8000 lbs. of ordnance. This was a very potent low altitude weapon for ground support which was her primary mission. She was also equipped with 4 x 20 mm. cannons. She served in many nations well past the 1960's. She was well armored against ground fire. She was originally designed as a Navy dive/torpedo bomber. For a bomber, she was fast, she was not a spitfire, P-51 Mustang or other single-engined fighters. all of whom, she outlived. Not only that, but I seem to remember she got a couple of kills on jets to boot. Of course, it was the appearance of hostile major jet forces in Korea that pretty much forced the allied Fighter arms to switch to 2nd-gen jets to be able to compete. The A-1J Skyraider actually was credited with four MIG-17's. The first was in a squadron on board the Midway. The pilot radioed "You've been had by a SPAD, dad". It was over Dien Bien Phu wile trying to rescue a downed pilot. The A-1's were a part of Rescap.
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