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Post by vidboi on Jun 1, 2020 11:36:05 GMT -6
As I read more of Norman Friedman's book on British cruisers, I have learned that the British by 1935 had decided that the larger 8000-10000 ton cruisers were better for trade protection and the smaller 4000-6500 ton cruisers were better for fleet work. Now, trade protection for the British was world-wide using the Mediterranean as a passage through the Suez Canal to shorten the trip. But they also understood that by removing the catapults and floatplanes for a ship that was relieving another then exchange those planes for pom-poms because of the Italian naval and air forces made sense. It was an interesting revelation but it can't really be accomplished in the game. You would have to rebuild a ship, then move it to the Mediterranean. The ship being replaced would have to be moved. Then the floatplanes added to it. It would be complex. But those whole concept is interesting. âœˆđŸ¤£
There was an interesting collab between Drachinifel and Dr. Alexander Clark on British cruisers recently which explores the reasoning behind these designs and roles, it's well worth a watch: www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB7u-mqwxSc
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jun 1, 2020 11:45:20 GMT -6
As I read more of Norman Friedman's book on British cruisers, I have learned that the British by 1935 had decided that the larger 8000-10000 ton cruisers were better for trade protection and the smaller 4000-6500 ton cruisers were better for fleet work. Now, trade protection for the British was world-wide using the Mediterranean as a passage through the Suez Canal to shorten the trip. But they also understood that by removing the catapults and floatplanes for a ship that was relieving another then exchange those planes for pom-poms because of the Italian naval and air forces made sense. It was an interesting revelation but it can't really be accomplished in the game. You would have to rebuild a ship, then move it to the Mediterranean. The ship being replaced would have to be moved. Then the floatplanes added to it. It would be complex. But those whole concept is interesting. âœˆđŸ¤£
There was an interesting collab between Drachinifel and Dr. Alexander Clark on British cruisers recently which explores the reasoning behind these designs and roles, it's well worth a watch: www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB7u-mqwxScI subscribed to that, thanks and I saw it. I just downloaded that one, and a couple more to watch again.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jun 1, 2020 12:47:41 GMT -6
Here is a new light cruiser design of 8000 tons. She has four seaplanes of the swordfish class of aircraft. A seaplane hangar and two catapults. She will do 35 knots and does have an immunity zone. I eliminated the torpedo tubes as unnecessary and I needed the tonnage. She has nine six inch guns. đŸ˜²
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Post by lucur on Jun 1, 2020 13:39:57 GMT -6
Maybe try 4Ă—2 turrets and add DP? I wouldn't ditch torpedoes, i had more than one night time cruiser engagement or raider interception where a light cruiser snuck up and sank a CA.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jun 1, 2020 13:50:59 GMT -6
Maybe try 4Ă—2 turrets and add DP? I wouldn't ditch torpedoes, i had more than one night time cruiser engagement or raider interception where a light cruiser snuck up and sank a CA. I understand but this cruiser is designed for trade protection, against raiders. The torpedo equipped aircraft can launch and sink the raider before it gets close to the cruiser- in theory, of course.đŸ˜‰
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jun 1, 2020 14:00:58 GMT -6
My design team, the oldpopfuls, have gone crazy. They have designed an armed merchant cruiser. I should never let work alone in the local pub. đŸ¤£đŸ˜
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Post by liam556 on Jun 1, 2020 16:29:04 GMT -6
I had no idea that you could put 8-inch guns on an AMC, so are there limits to the guns you can put on them? Also aren't AMCs limited to 25 knots?
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jun 1, 2020 16:43:15 GMT -6
I had no idea that you could put 8-inch guns on an AMC, so are there limits to the guns you can put on them? Also aren't AMCs limited to 25 knots? You can't put two gun turrets but you have to have researched two gun turrets. I am using a game that is completed. I just did use my Italy active game and I could add 8 inch. guns but it will not allow me to build the ship until a war, which I have suggested be changed.
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Post by polygon on Jun 3, 2020 21:30:53 GMT -6
This was given to me as legacy fleet in a Japan 1920 start. Attachments:
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jun 3, 2020 21:37:38 GMT -6
This was given to me as legacy fleet in a Japan 1920 start. Well, it is armed pretty well, but I don't know about all those 8 inch guns. I would get rid of the 3 inch tertiary guns and add more main gun ammunition. 24 knot is nice but I doubt you can get past 25-26 with the hull design. Nice.
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Post by polygon on Jun 3, 2020 22:32:52 GMT -6
This was given to me as legacy fleet in a Japan 1920 start. Well, it is armed pretty well, but I don't know about all those 8 inch guns. I would get rid of the 3 inch tertiary guns and add more main gun ammunition. 24 knot is nice but I doubt you can get past 25-26 with the hull design. Nice. I took the most direct route to dealing with silly ships Attachments:
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jun 4, 2020 9:47:45 GMT -6
Well, it is armed pretty well, but I don't know about all those 8 inch guns. I would get rid of the 3 inch tertiary guns and add more main gun ammunition. 24 knot is nice but I doubt you can get past 25-26 with the hull design. Nice. I took the most direct route to dealing with silly ships Just some thoughts on your design, which is good. Remember that carriers will not be rebuilt that often but aircraft will evolve quickly. They will become faster, heavier, and will need a faster ship to launch without catapults. Remember that this ship is not a cruiser, it is a floating landing strip, don't over arm it. eliminate all but the starboard 4 inch guns to save weight for speed. Reduce the belt armor down possibly to 2 inches and the deck to 1 inch. Try to use the flat deck armor under armor scheme when you get there, I think it is a requirement. Try to increase the number of aircraft, my version of your ship had 29. Go to oil, obviously when available. It usually takes more time for Japan. Anyway, nice design. You could increase the tonnage to 15,000 to gain the extra speed. A carrier's best defense is its fighters, then the destroyers and cruisers. When it comes down to the AAA guns, the ship is in serious jeopardy. Update: My game as Japan is in November 1921 and here is my first light carrier- Ryujo
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Post by polygon on Jun 4, 2020 14:15:53 GMT -6
You're right of course that that's a superior carrier to what I got out of converting that CA, but most of your suggestions are impossible because it's a refit, not a new build. I built a purpose built CVL soon after and retired those pretty much as as soon as my good CVLs were out. I disagree on the 4" guns though, on two counts
1. Sometimes you just get weird/bad spawns and your CVs are engaged on the surface. Their primary defense should be speed and fleeing, but you should carry sufficient firepower to see off destroyers, because you'll never run from them. 2. The 4" guns primarily serve as AA. They are dual purpose guns and simply act as heavy battery 90% of the time. That's fine, that's what they're for. If they were surface action guns, they'd be 5 or 6".
The purpose built CVL I replaced that conversion with had a 4" belt and 4" deck with magazine box protection. No armor on the flight deck hangar. They also had unit machinery. That means all machinery is both redundant and splinter-proof, and the magazines should hold up against cruiser fire and small/medium bombs. It carried 32 planes, compared to 20 on the conversion, and made 28 knots at 16,000 tons.
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Post by polygon on Jun 4, 2020 14:54:44 GMT -6
What do you think of this ship as a legacy fleet CL? Heavy cues taken from the USS Olympia, although that ship is slower and more heavily armored (way more heavily armored than you can get on the displacement in game) Attachments:
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jun 4, 2020 15:42:47 GMT -6
What do you think of this ship as a legacy fleet CL? Heavy cues taken from the USS Olympia, although that ship is slower and more heavily armored (way more heavily armored than you can get on the displacement in game) You might try to add two more torpedo tubes, especially if this is a scout or destroyer leader. Try to increase the belt to 4 inch. reduce the turret tops to 2 inch. and add one more inch to the conning tower which contains the bridge. Reduce the secondaries to 4 inch. because they have a higher rate of fire and it will be needed in a close encounter. One or two more knots might be useful. Good ship design though.
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