Please add Cruise Missile Submarines and associated tech

[berte]

SSG and eventually SSGN submarines would be a welcome addition. I'd love to see tech that allows these to be built. I'd imagine a submarine with Anti Ship Missiles would be much more deadly than one with just torpedoes.

Thank you!

[berte]

And to piggy back off the above suggestion, be nice to see a dedicated new aircraft type like the Grumman AF Guardian, the first purpose-built anti-submarine warfare (ASW) carrier-based aircraft. I'm not sure what we would do with it... Well, maybe this is a lame suggestion. But having a certain number onboard a carrier could significantly increase it's ASW value while simultaneously reducing self-vulnerability to submarine attacks.

[wlbjork]

Nice, but would be simpler to have a checkbox for dedicated ASW aircraft that can be unlocked by techs, representing anything from Stringbags with ASV radar and RP3 rockets up to SH-3 Sea King helicopters with dipping sonar and lightweight homing torpedoes. The Sea King is a bit of a tricky one, it's late for the original 1955ish tech finish - but if surface-to-surface anti-shipping missiles do get incorporated there is less of a stretch.

[seawolf]

May 4, 2020 11:54:27 GMT -6 wlbjork said:

Nice, but would be simpler to have a checkbox for dedicated ASW aircraft that can be unlocked by techs, representing anything from Stringbags with ASV radar and RP3 rockets up to SH-3 Sea King helicopters with dipping sonar and lightweight homing torpedoes. The Sea King is a bit of a tricky one, it's late for the original 1955ish tech finish - but if surface-to-surface anti-shipping missiles do get incorporated there is less of a stretch.

Based on what the devs keep saying I'm (hoping) they're leaning towards a early cold-war DLC that would expand the timeline
It would give us the features we want and give them the funding they need

[aeson]

Weren't early submarine-launched missiles mostly for land attack? I'm not too familiar with Cold War stuff - especially the Soviet side of things - but I don't think UGM-84 was in service much before the '80s, I don't think the US Navy had a submarine-launched anti-ship missile in service prior to that, and I know that a lot of the early submarine-launched missiles had the minor issue of requiring the submarine to be surfaced to launch them and remain surfaced for extended periods of time to guide them onto a target, and possibly also be surfaced for a relatively long period of time to set up for the launch in the first place.

[wlbjork]

It is the Soviets who made more effort on the SSGN side of things (the US built only a few as the nuclear deterrent until SSBNs were available). The Whiskey and Juliette classes would probably be most applicable here. However, as you say the technology of the time was quite limiting in terms of set up, firing and course correction requirements, suggesting an increased vulnerability during such attacks.

[christian]

May 4, 2020 18:21:06 GMT -6 aeson said:

Weren't early submarine-launched missiles mostly for land attack? I'm not too familiar with Cold War stuff - especially the Soviet side of things - but I don't think UGM-84 was in service much before the '80s, I don't think the US Navy had a submarine-launched anti-ship missile in service prior to that, and I know that a lot of the early submarine-launched missiles had the minor issue of requiring the submarine to be surfaced to launch them and remain surfaced for extended periods of time to guide them onto a target, and possibly also be surfaced for a relatively long period of time to set up for the launch in the first place.

ECHO 2 submarines launched in 1962 were designed to destroy carriers at high range with 5 ton anti ship missiles


the echo 1 subs could carry anti ship missiles but did not have the guidance to use them (no radar unlike the ECHO 2 which had a folding radar in the front of the sail)