Mod Proposal: Revamped Europe

[seawolf]

Europe, by far the center of action in RTW2, consists of two simple regions that could use some work.


Why does this need changing?
Air Power, and battles that don't make sense.

As Germany or Russia, you have probably found yourself in battles off the French Atlantic Coast
As Britain or France, battles in the Baltic or Adriatic
Even before air power, it makes no sense for your fleets to be in those regions.  Once airbases are introduced, it seems ridiculous

While I understand unforeseen battles and fog of war, these battles are essentially bugs caused by the simplification of Europe, because they would never happen in real life.  This new mod would change that, as well as add some new territories.



I propose we expand Europe to these 6 regions


Region: Atlantic Ocean
Home Waters:France, UK, Spain
Regions:Western UK, Western France, Ireland, Iceland, Northern Spain

Region: North Sea
Home Waters:UK, Germany
Regions: Eastern UK, Northern France, Norway, Netherlands, Western Germany, Denmark(Canal to Baltic)
Note:  As shown above, this region could also include Northern Russia or stop at Narvik

Region: Baltic
Home Waters:Germany, Russia
Regions: Eastern Germany, East Prussia, Baltic States, Sweden, Finland, Western Russia

Region: Western Mediterranean
Home Waters:France, Italy
Regions: Southern France, Gibraltar(Canal to Atlantic Ocean), Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Southern Spain, Sardinia, Corsica, Sicily, Italian West Coast

Region: Eastern Mediterranean
Home Waters: None
Regions: Libya, Greece, Rhodes, Egypt, Cyprus, Palestine, Syria

Region: Adriatic
Home Waters: Italy, Austria Hungary
Regions: Italian East Coast, Albania, Dalmatia, Austria Hungary

What would this change:
First off, your ships would only engage in the regions of Europe you send them too
With canals at Denmark and Gibraltar, passage in and out of the Mediterranean and Baltic could be restricted as they were IRL
And, there would be new Territories. Besides the division of existing territories, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, Palestine and Syria would be added

[seawolf]

I would like to reach out to clevebro and cv10 for their work on the Netherlands and Sweden, as well as anyone who has worked on custom nations, and anyone who would like to help in general

[toastaroony]

This might be a bit too much in addition, but I think that, in addition, modelling the Black Sea would be nice too, given as a number of important battles happened there. It would likely just be Russia, which could make it have 3 home areas for added difficulty
Just a thought

[aeson]

As a word of caution, using a mod-added sea zone as a power's build area had problems in Rule the Waves; I do not know if that remains true in Rule the Waves 2.

[seawolf]

May 27, 2020 17:56:02 GMT -6 aeson said:

As a word of caution, using a mod-added sea zone as a power's build area had problems in Rule the Waves; I do not know if that remains true in Rule the Waves 2.

Thank you!
Can you link me to a thread describing the problem?

If that is the case, and I can't find a way to fix it, a workaround could be keeping the two existing areas as the North Sea and Western Mediterranean, and adding all the other ones.  The only problem would be Russia and Austria building outside their home areas

[seawolf]

May 27, 2020 17:37:36 GMT -6 toastaroony said:

This might be a bit too much in addition, but I think that, in addition, modelling the Black Sea would be nice too, given as a number of important battles happened there. It would likely just be Russia, which could make it have 3 home areas for added difficulty
Just a thought

I considered that, but given that you basically would have to add Turkey, it isn't entirely viable until the 7 nation limit is gone

[aeson]

May 27, 2020 18:03:26 GMT -6 seawolf said:

Thank you!
Can you link me to a thread describing the problem

If I can find it. I recall it being mentioned in relation to a Kingdom of Hawaii custom nation that made use of my map mod for RTW1, if you want to try finding it yourself.

If that is the case, and I can't find a way to fix it, a workaround could be keeping the two existing areas as the North Sea and Western Mediterranean, and adding all the other ones. The only problem would be Russia and Austria building outside their home areas

Setting the build area to a sea zone in which a power does not have any home possessions is problematic because you're not guaranteed to have base capacity there but you need to have at least fleet strength score parity in your build area with any powers with which you are at war to avert blockades.

There is also the more minor nuisance that ships spawn into the build area upon commissioning and upon completion of refits ordered while the ship was stationed outside of a home area.

[dsilva44]

I personally love this idea and look forward to trying it out if it's successful.

[Jack]

This and removing the nations limit would open alot of potential for modders to make RTW2 even greater

[clevebro]

seawolf I know it is possible somehow to change the sea regions but it seems suuuuuuper complitcated to do. Or atleast need to read into it, there might be a possibility but it would mean a lot of work.
To my knowledge you would need to redo all the war info files, and mess around with the regions, it would probably be the easiest to completely delete the regions in europe and start from scratch. 
That is just a guess and I have no clue on how to do that

[thorthemighty]

Honestly, I feel that this idea belongs in suggestions. In my Great Britain playthrough I've had battles where the Germans have managed to get to the windward side of Great Britain which has on more than one occasion made me wonder how the bloody hell did they get through the English Channel or the North Sea without being spotted and why the hell didn't my primary battle fleet of 15 Dreadnoughts didn't sortie to intercept them?

[seawolf]

Jul 21, 2020 17:28:31 GMT -6 thorthemighty said:

Honestly, I feel that this idea belongs in suggestions. In my Great Britain playthrough I've had battles where the Germans have managed to get to the windward side of Great Britain which has on more than one occasion made me wonder how the bloody hell did they get through the English Channel or the North Sea without being spotted and why the hell didn't my primary battle fleet of 15 Dreadnoughts didn't sortie to intercept them?

Unfortunately it appears canals are hardcoded so the devs would have to do it anyways

[thorthemighty]

Jul 21, 2020 18:52:15 GMT -6 seawolf said:

Jul 21, 2020 17:28:31 GMT -6 thorthemighty said:

Honestly, I feel that this idea belongs in suggestions. In my Great Britain playthrough I've had battles where the Germans have managed to get to the windward side of Great Britain which has on more than one occasion made me wonder how the bloody hell did they get through the English Channel or the North Sea without being spotted and why the hell didn't my primary battle fleet of 15 Dreadnoughts didn't sortie to intercept them?

Unfortunately it appears canals are hardcoded so the devs would have to do it anyways

Bugger, its such a good idea. I honestly like it a fair bit. 

[dia]

As much as I love the idea for northern Europe, the split up in the Mediterranean would be a disaster for Italy. Italy is tough enough as it is, but now they would be forced to hold down two possibly three sea zones. Not to mention it will kill the use of short-range capital ships that both Italy and AH highly benefit from. There's also something to be said about short-range ships traversing the Baltic and North Seas.

[seawolf]

Jul 23, 2020 15:17:49 GMT -6 dia said:

As much as I love the idea for northern Europe, the split up in the Mediterranean would be a disaster for Italy. Italy is tough enough as it is, but now they would be forced to hold down two possibly three sea zones. Not to mention it will kill the use of short-range capital ships that both Italy and AH highly benefit from. There's also something to be said about short-range ships traversing the Baltic and North Seas.

Short range ships can make those moves.  Try playing as the US and you can move short ranged ships around in wartime.  It just has to be a home region.