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Post by nobody on May 31, 2020 2:50:10 GMT -6
I have seen this before, but thought it was a display bug. But no it is indeed the penetration that is buggy.  See according to this the penetration at 6k would be higher than at any other range. That seems impossible. It also begs another question: What about lower ranges? Does it go up or down, stay the same? Why are values for distances below 5k not listed? |
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Post by williammiller on Jun 1, 2020 8:51:06 GMT -6
I'll have Fredrik W check that, it could very well be an issue in the penetration algorithm for that caliber/quality combination. Thanks! |
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Post by nobody on Jun 1, 2020 9:16:47 GMT -6
Update:
I currently have this with 18"(0), 19"(-1) and 20"(-1) guns. They all have their max pen at 6000 yards.
Any chance to get an answer on what happens below 5k?
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Post by williammiller on Jun 1, 2020 9:28:51 GMT -6
Don't know offhand (i'm not near my work PC right now) but depends upon the combination in question, but Fredrik W will be checking all of it. |
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Post by nobody on Jun 1, 2020 9:39:31 GMT -6
I mean more in general. Is it capped to the 5k value or does it go up the closer you get? And if it does go up, why do the tables only start at 5k and not zero or 1k?
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Post by williammiller on Jun 1, 2020 11:36:54 GMT -6
IIRC the formulas actually go down to 1K yards; I think the decision to only show 5K or higher for larger guns was because the slight increase in Pen at closer ranges (for these large guns) would make no real difference in showing immunity zones.
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Post by umbaretz on Jun 1, 2020 12:52:49 GMT -6
I have seen this before, but thought it was a display bug. But no it is indeed the penetration that is buggy. See according to this the penetration at 6k would be higher than at any other range. That seems impossible. It also begs another question: What about lower ranges? Does it go up or down, stay the same? Why are values for distances below 5k not listed? Obviously not intended, but in some circumstances possible IRL - when shell just shatters at the contact with the belt due too big energies involved - nothing too good for the ship, but explosion of filler inside can be avoided. |
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Post by nobody on Jun 1, 2020 13:28:06 GMT -6
IIRC the formulas actually go down to 1K yards; I think the decision to only show 5K or higher for larger guns was because the slight increase in Pen at closer ranges (for these large guns) would make no real difference in showing immunity zones. But it also starts at 5k if the gun only has a range of 5k! "slight increase"? Sure I don't know your formula, but taken real data e.g. from Bismarck the penetration increases by over 20% at zero range, compared to 5k yards/meters. I have seen this before, but thought it was a display bug. But no it is indeed the penetration that is buggy. See according to this the penetration at 6k would be higher than at any other range. That seems impossible. It also begs another question: What about lower ranges? Does it go up or down, stay the same? Why are values for distances below 5k not listed? Obviously not intended, but in some circumstances possible IRL - when shell just shatters at the contact with the belt due too big energies involved - nothing too good for the ship, but explosion of filler inside can be avoided. Well shell shattering/breaking kinda stopped being a thing in the mid 1910s early 20s ("Greenboy" and "Medieval unbreakable") and wasn't really a problem at oblique angles. The only situation I can think of, where penetration would go down when you come closer, is if you have to aim downwards at the enemy, but that is not a thing in penetration tables. |
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Post by nobody on Jun 5, 2020 13:26:18 GMT -6
I just researched the 17" +1 rifles. It's penetration is consistent - at the low end. However, I scrolled down for the first time. At the top end (starting at 30k) all values are identical! Also the table stops at 35k while gun range is over 41k. It's the same with other guns.  |
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Post by Fredrik W on Jun 6, 2020 23:24:33 GMT -6
The table is insufficiently smoothed out in some places, and together with the various modifiers that are applied, this makes for some inconsistencies. Also, the calculations above 30000 yards don't work as intended. Thanks for pointing this out! We will fix it for the next update.
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Post by nobody on Jan 7, 2021 2:25:06 GMT -6
Unfortunately I have to point out that the error still persists in 1.24: that is low quality huge guns (18" and 20" @-1) still have their max pen at a range of 6000. The difference has become smaller though. Don't know about the long ranges, none of my guns can currently shoot so far.
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