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Post by oldpop2000 on Jul 3, 2020 14:55:14 GMT -6
Kriegsmarine knew about the 280 mm guns however as they were quite old they did not consider them dangerous. But they were completely unaware about 40 years old installation of 6 torpedo firing positions. That's really funny that they didn't consider the guns a threat. A quick check of the penetration tables for those 280mm guns firing Armor Piercing shells at the range that they blew Blucher to pieces would have cleaved straight through the belt armor of Bismarck. If those guns could smash through Bismarck's belt, then they would have torn a Heavy Cruiser apart. Actually, the problem was the lack of intelligence by the German Navy about the fortresses torpedo tubes which probably caused most of the damage by slowing down the Blucher giving the batteries more opportunities to hit her. As Proverbs 16:18 says " Pride goeth before destruction , and a haughty spirit before the fall"
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Post by thorthemighty on Jul 3, 2020 15:19:09 GMT -6
That's really funny that they didn't consider the guns a threat. A quick check of the penetration tables for those 280mm guns firing Armor Piercing shells at the range that they blew Blucher to pieces would have cleaved straight through the belt armor of Bismarck. If those guns could smash through Bismarck's belt, then they would have torn a Heavy Cruiser apart. That's 6-inches of armor penetration at 13-kilometers. The range at which those guns fired at Blucher was only 2,000-yards. To compare a similar weapon, let's look at the American 10in/40 caliber Mark 3 gun that the Tennessee class Armored Cruiser used. These guns had a longer barrel but fired a lighter shell compared to the Krupp Guns. Regardless, these weapons had impressive performance, particularly going by 1918 armor penetration data.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jul 3, 2020 15:46:38 GMT -6
I don't disagree and in fact, I still don't understand why that commander did not send in some E-boats or something else, even Kayaks. The belt armor on the Blucher was only 2.5-3 inch. At the range of the encounter, she was just sitting duck. Remarkably, the commander made admiral,
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Post by thorthemighty on Jul 3, 2020 15:50:07 GMT -6
I don't disagree and in fact, I still don't understand why that commander did not send in some E-boats or something else, even Kayaks. The belt armor on the Blucher was only 2.5-3 inch. At the range of the encounter, she was just sitting duck. Remarkably, the commander made admiral, Or wait for the Luftwaffe to smash it into dust. It should be noted though that this sort of thing with trying to snatch all the glory before someone else does was a thing in Nazi Germany.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jul 3, 2020 15:56:15 GMT -6
I don't disagree and in fact, I still don't understand why that commander did not send in some E-boats or something else, even Kayaks. The belt armor on the Blucher was only 2.5-3 inch. At the range of the encounter, she was just sitting duck. Remarkably, the commander made admiral, Or wait for the Luftwaffe to smash it into dust. It should be noted though that this sort of thing with trying to snatch all the glory before someone else does was a thing in Nazi Germany. The Luftwaffe might be an idea but they might be tied up doing work up on Narvik plus the range issue. I will have to work on that interesting idea. Update: Luftflotte 5 was established for the Norway operation in Hamburg. Now, it is 431 miles, as the crow flies from Hamburg to Oslo. After Oslo fell, the Luftflotte was transferred to Oslo. Unless there was a shortage of birds, I don't see why they could not have conducted some air attacks unless the Navy did not want to give away the coming invasion.
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Post by thorthemighty on Jul 3, 2020 15:59:56 GMT -6
Or wait for the Luftwaffe to smash it into dust. It should be noted though that this sort of thing with trying to snatch all the glory before someone else does was a thing in Nazi Germany. The Luftwaffe might be an idea but they might be tied up doing work up on Narvik plus the range issue. I will have to work on that interesting idea. Oscarbourg actually guards the Fjord that leads up into Oslo. Narvik is much farther north. I actually wouldn't mind when playing as Great Britain getting an event where some hapless enemy ship decided to bombard Malta or Gibraltar and got torn apart by the Coastal Batteries for its trouble.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jul 3, 2020 16:26:10 GMT -6
The Luftwaffe might be an idea but they might be tied up doing work up on Narvik plus the range issue. I will have to work on that interesting idea. Oscarbourg actually guards the Fjord that leads up into Oslo. Narvik is much farther north. I actually wouldn't mind when playing as Great Britain getting an event where some hapless enemy ship decided to bombard Malta or Gibraltar and got torn apart by the Coastal Batteries for its trouble. Yes, I know. But the Luftflotte had other responsibilities like defeating the British navy. Anyway, I've up loaded the Department of Army, Center of Military History book on the German Northern Theatre of Operations 1940-1945. Knock yourself out with this book. Enjoy. CMH_Pub_104-23_compressed.pdf (8.75 MB)
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