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Post by Warspite on Sept 8, 2020 19:28:41 GMT -6
While we wait apparently interminably for 1.23 what do you all regard as the greatest historical battleship? Let's keep the discussion to apres the Dreadnought era. My choice, well, I suppose my screen name says it all... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Warspite_(03)No greatest battleship was ever sunk Your thoughts? No categorisation, no computation, no maths. Just the greatest historical battleships on a gut instinct backed up with history These great massive machines of war should have some ineffable quality that cannot be reduced down to numbers. No numbers. Thanks to Oldpop for making me focus my thoughts on what I wanted this thread to be.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 8, 2020 19:48:48 GMT -6
My vote would go to the USS Nevada. She was launched in 1914 and had oil instead of coal, triple turrets, geared steam turbines and the all or nothing armor scheme. She could do 24 MPH, and had a range of 2222 miles at 23 mph. She is one of the only ships to survive the Pearl Harbor attack and the Bikini Atoll bomb test where she was the target ship. She was not sunk by the baker bomb and had to be sunk by an aerial torpedo near Pearl Harbor. She was also the only battleship to get underway during the Pearl Harbor attack. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Nevada_(BB-36)
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Post by warspite1995 on Sept 8, 2020 19:57:19 GMT -6
No contest, has to be the grand old lady! HMS Warspite!
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Post by Warspite on Sept 8, 2020 20:27:34 GMT -6
My vote would go to the USS Nevada. She was launched in 1914 and had oil instead of coal, triple turrets, geared steam turbines and the all or nothing armor scheme. She could do 24 MPH, and had a range of 2222 miles at 23 mph. She is one of the only ships to survive the Pearl Harbor attack and the Bikini Atoll bomb test where she was the target ship. She was not sunk by the baker bomb and had to be sunk by an aerial torpedo near Pearl Harbor. She was also the only battleship to get underway during the Pearl Harbor attack. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Nevada_(BB-36)Nice choice old man.
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Post by Warspite on Sept 8, 2020 20:28:17 GMT -6
No contest, has to be the grand old lady! HMS Warspite! ..... I Agree.
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Post by Warspite on Sept 8, 2020 20:30:38 GMT -6
If we have a consensus and narrow it down to a manageable number I will run a poll in the thread so we can all vote.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 8, 2020 21:09:28 GMT -6
I would like to propose the following categories that should be used to judge the best ship. ( I stole them from Nihon Kaigun - www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htmGuns armor underwater protection fire control tactical factors
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Post by Warspite on Sept 8, 2020 21:31:16 GMT -6
I would like to propose the following categories that should be used to judge the best ship. ( I stole them from Nihon Kaigun - www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htmGuns armor underwater protection fire control tactical factors Hell no. No categorisation, no computation, no maths. Just the greatest historical battleships on a gut instinct backed up with history. No. My thread. My rules.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 8, 2020 21:33:54 GMT -6
I would like to propose the following categories that should be used to judge the best ship. ( I stole them from Nihon Kaigun - www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htmGuns armor underwater protection fire control tactical factors Hell no. No categorisation, no computation, no maths. Just the greatest historical battleships on a gut instinct backed up with history. No. My thread. My rules. OK. Bye
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Post by Warspite on Sept 8, 2020 21:39:20 GMT -6
These great massive machines of war should have some ineffable quality that cannot be reduced down to numbers.
No numbers.
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Post by Warspite on Sept 8, 2020 21:43:41 GMT -6
Hell no. No categorisation, no computation, no maths. Just the greatest historical battleships on a gut instinct backed up with history. No. My thread. My rules. OK. Bye ADMIN: EDITED OUT PERSONAL ATTACK/INSULT AND JUST PLAIN RUDENESS. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE HERE!
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Post by lucur on Sept 9, 2020 0:04:01 GMT -6
It's hard not to immediately yell Warspite here, but i'll go with the Jean Bart. Brave design and the only ship not being a dirty Nazi but still showing the yanks and tommys what's up Poor french navy in WW II...
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Post by Warspite on Sept 9, 2020 0:10:07 GMT -6
It's hard not to immediately yell Warspite here Poor french navy in WW II...
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Post by Warspite on Sept 9, 2020 0:16:28 GMT -6
It's hard not to immediately yell Warspite here, but i'll go with the Jean Bart. Brave design and the only ship not being a dirty Nazi but still showing the yanks and tommys what's up Poor french navy in WW II... Jean Bart was a great ship.
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Post by wknehring on Sept 9, 2020 5:03:01 GMT -6
Well, it´s hard not to nominate HMS Warspite. She survived nearly all major engagements in both wars, although standing on Neptunes list! She made it home after Jutland, although heavily damaged (without her jammed rudder, she would have been sunk). She survived several torpedo attacks at Norway (torpedo crisis) while sinking (or helping to sink) the half German DD-fleet, survived the battle of Cape Matapan (with scoring her record hit). She survived the Battle of Kreta with heavy damage. She survived 2 hits from Fritz-X guided bombs near Sicily (should I mention Roma?), was hardly repaired and shelled coastal batteries at the Normandie. And even during her last journey she refused to go without a fight. This ship and her career is pretty impressive!
And although USS Nevada has an impressive career by her own, she is no match for HMS Warspite.
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