AI cheats when it comes to planes.

[captaintrek]

I've complained bitterly before about how the AI is still granted various planes and the ability to purpose-build CVs when they don't have the technology for these things in reduced research games, but it turns out even 100% research games with normal aircraft development aren't safe!

I'm sorry, but that is not okay.

EDIT: Also, it's now mid-1928 and everyone now has dive bombers except me, including Austria-Hungary. Again, dive bombers are not expected until 1930, people.

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[mobeer]

Can you see in the save game files if the AI nation has the required tech researched?

[captaintrek]

That's Research17Level5, right? I had to revert to my 1925 save of this campaign, because I got a wild hare up my ass and finished the entire rest of the campaign in one night (after initially deciding I would retire this campaign at 1925 and making a backup save accordingly, but then changing my mind), but even in 1925 Britain, Germany, and the US are making dive bombers despite none of them having Research17Level5 (as you would expect because, again, the Dive Bombing tech isn't expected until 1930).

[navalperson]

I know what you mean in my Japanese playful I didn’t get dive bombers until the 50s and just kept buying licenses from other nations dive bombers. But in the game’s defense for my play through I don’t think I had aircraft set as a priority for research. I do wish though that my aircraft manufacturers for dive bombers could at least improve the reliability so I could have a 700 range dive bomber with good reliability instead of poor.

[williammiller]

If anyone can post a save game (or link to a save file) showing this issue please do so, as it would help us to track down what is happening in your game.

Thanks.

[captaintrek]

Apr 17, 2021 9:11:04 GMT -6 williammiller said:

If anyone can post a save game (or link to a save file) showing this issue please do so, as it would help us to track down what is happening in your game.

Thanks.

Can do. Game 1 is a 10% research A-H campaign with slow aircraft development where the AIs were all merrily purpose-building carriers despite not having the technology for it. Some of them have it now, but not all, and all the ones that did pick up Large Aircraft Carrier were definitely purpose-building CVs long before then. Not to mention dive bombers, which they all have despite none of them having the tech (and Britain doesn't have early air launched torpedoes either, according to the BCS file).

Game 9 is a 100% research Italy campaign with normal aircraft development, the same one I referred to in the OP. Don't mind my ships having meme names, by the way. I commentated this campaign to my friends and we'd collectively decided ahead of time that this would be a meme campaign.


www.filedropper.com/game1
www.filedropper.com/game9

[captaintrek]

Apologies for the double-post, but I decided to do a quick campaign as Britain with historical resources on Very Small, just to see how much territory I could conquer, and something even crazier just happened.

The AI is rebuilding a sunk ship as a CV.

And I can prove it, too. If you look in the BCS file, you can clearly see that Constellation is still listed as sunk off Newfoundland. And you can tell it wasn't originally a CVL (it just kind of miraculously tag-switched to that when the AI decided to rebuild it, thus it looks like a CVL is being converted to a CV, rather than BC to CV as is proper) by the displacement and the name.

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[talbot797]

Apr 19, 2021 10:16:34 GMT -6 captaintrek said:

Apologies for the double-post, but I decided to do a quick campaign as Britain with historical resources on Very Small, just to see how much territory I could conquer, and something even crazier just happened.

The AI is rebuilding a sunk ship as a CV.

And I can prove it, too. If you look in the BCS file, you can clearly see that Constellation is still listed as sunk off Newfoundland. And you can tell it wasn't originally a CVL (it just kind of miraculously tag-switched to that when the AI decided to rebuild it, thus it looks like a CVL is being converted to a CV, rather than BC to CV as is proper) by the displacement and the name.

1922 seems pretty early for a CV as well?

But I note your screenshot says v1.22, you know we're up to v1.24?

[captaintrek]

I must've missed that because I took a long break from this game starting late last year. The patch notes don't mention fixing anything like what I've described though. The Aircraft Carrier Conversion tech is expected in 1921, so converting a ship in 1922 isn't an issue in and of itself.

[christian]

The ai rebuilding a sunk ship is hella dumb i havent noticed it myself but i havent paid attention to it
it might be a good idea to