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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2015 5:23:35 GMT -6
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Post by oldpop2000 on Oct 14, 2015 7:37:14 GMT -6
This sort of confirms what I have always believed; it was a mistake on both sides. You don't allow commercial jets to fly over a combat zone. This sort of action is amateurish.... or political. Could be this is exactly what Kiev wanted, an incident. The people on board were just the sacrificial lambs.
Addendum: I concur with the report that better coordination and responsibility for airspace is the responsibility of the sovereign nation and that you can't assume your airspace is safe. This was, a total systemic failure. Command and Control in rebel held territory is generally very weak, their commanders will have little or no control over what they do or say. This is par for the course. This leads to friendly fire incidents or accidents like this. The Ukrainian's are the best controlled of the two, they should have known better. So should Malaysian Air Lines. Even though aircraft squawk codes that are assigned and are disseminated to all, it doesn't mean that everyone gets it. This needs to be corrected.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2015 14:23:20 GMT -6
I wonder if indisputable evidence can ever surface to point out the perpetrator. The report traces the SAM site back to a rebel controlled area but that's as far as it goes. It also implies that Russia purposely withheld raw radar data from the Dutch safety board, against ICAO requirements. We wouldn't know what is being hidden.
Another Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was also missing last year and there have been no substantiated findings whatsoever since the crash.
If you ask me, that airline is cursed. ---> downs my whiskey
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Post by oldpop2000 on Oct 14, 2015 16:54:10 GMT -6
I wonder if indisputable evidence can ever surface to point out the perpetrator. The report traces the SAM site back to a rebel controlled area but that's as far as it goes. It also implies that Russia purposely withheld raw radar data from the Dutch safety board, against ICAO requirements. We wouldn't know what is being hidden. Another Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was also missing last year and there have been no substantiated findings whatsoever since the crash. If you ask me, that airline is cursed. ---> downs my whiskey I am certain that someone knows who fired the fatal shot but it is irrelevant. The Russian's aren't going to cooperate, it isn't in their best interest.... same old thing. I've been watching them for fifty years, no change. They don't have any real scruples, all's fair in love and war in their eyes. Remember, they are still, for the most part, Communists.
..... Down's my Amontillado.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Oct 15, 2015 8:00:53 GMT -6
Just a note: When interrogated by ground or airborne radar, the IFF on board will squawk not only the assigned code, but Mode C. Mode C is altitude. Newer IFF transponders might squawk more information but they do squawk altitude for certain. The radar operator then has the unique code assigned, course and most importantly, the altitude. The altitude should have been the give-away as to what kind of aircraft it was.... commercial. My opinion... the radar operators either did not care, or were now well trained and ordered to shoot at anything that moved.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transponder_(aeronautics) - article to help you understand transponders, codes etc. On the radars, before the radar xmitter pulse, you get an IFF pretrigger which fires the interrogator and then the codes from the transponders are received and processed, after that the main radar transmits.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Oct 15, 2015 10:03:04 GMT -6
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