Suggestion: More Game Settings

[alpha2518]

So a simple suggestion with less text file editing. So There are two codes for rapid economic growth. One for the early game in RTW2 and one for late game in RTW2. USA Gets both, and Germany just gets the early one. Problem is, Germany only makes sense if they run into a WW1 scenario. I've read The Wages of Destruction and I saw the rapid decline in standard of living on a chart where it dipped right when WW1 started on the chapter where it talks about the wages germans made and the cost of living to get things like butter or milk. But short of a WW1 scenario that really damages Germany like that, there's no reason for Germany not to have rapid economics growth for the late game if I'm playing as Germany.

You could also make this dynamic for Germany and other countries, but ill stick with Germany. Where after the economy suffering for awhile if the player messes up and a sufficent level of unrest for a period of time you lose the late economic growth bonus. This could apply to other settings appropriately.

So rather then going into the text files, how about a couple of boxes that we can click to fine tune the settings we want and some additional drop down menu's. This is just one suggestion, I'm sure others can make other suggestions. I also understand this is a late suggestion so while I don't expect it in the game for release, perhaps as a future update it would be nice to see.

[zederfflinger]

Wouldn't Germany start running into geographical/space related issues long before the US will? Or would that not effect things too much?

[seawolf]

The rapid growth of the German navy had already largely halted by 1914, as they realized that they wouldn't be able to compete with the Royal Navy on the scales needed, and funneling more money into the navy was just going to take money away from their land forces. Especially considering the relevance of the German Navy today.

Settings to control growth modifiers would be quite cool though, I'd certainly like to be able to turn on a fast growing enemy to make the game a challenge.

[alpha2518]

Mar 6, 2023 8:32:25 GMT -6 zederfflinger said:

Wouldn't Germany start running into geographical/space related issues long before the US will? Or would that not effect things too much?

You're assuming only relying on national resources while discounting international trade, which is outside our purview. Also just look at Britain, they are not seriously funding their navy with only what the resources they control as there is also substantial international trade that Britain makes money on that allows them to have such a navy.

[alpha2518]

Mar 6, 2023 12:25:01 GMT -6 seawolf said:

The rapid growth of the German navy had already largely halted by 1914, as they realized that they wouldn't be able to compete with the Royal Navy on the scales needed, and funneling more money into the navy was just going to take money away from their land forces. Especially considering the relevance of the German Navy today.

Settings to control growth modifiers would be quite cool though, I'd certainly like to be able to turn on a fast growing enemy to make the game a challenge.

See I think there's disagreement here because the Wages of destruction Indicates that Germany would've probably kept growing if not for WW1 and the economic recovery needed from that where they took their own pipes ripped up from the streets to melt down to make bullets. The only other thing that really damaged Germany economically down to WW1 levels on the statistic presented was the crash of 1929.

In The Wages of Destruction on Google Books (The copy i'm using) this is on page 193 of 1040, Figure 7: 42 Years of German Economic Progress as seen from 1933 (national income per capita, 1913 = 100)


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[shadowkiller44]

While germany was pretty estatic when it came to starting capital ships , pre dreadnaughts and dreadnaughts under tirpitz

"In January 1900 a British cruiser intercepted three German mail steamers and searched them for war supplies intended for the Boers. Germany was outraged and the opportunity presented itself for a second Naval Bill."

In 1912/1913 germany ordered the the last of the königs-class dreadnaught and briten countered with 5 dreadnaughts of the queen elizabeth class.

You have to consider that even IF the growth of germany keeps going on indefinetly they would reach a point where they simply WOUNT BE ABLE to build more capital ships. Germany is not Britain or the US and it has limits to naval production that cant simply solved with money. Or you would have to build ships in foreing dockyards just to have the dockyards space aviable for your production.

Also for germany the navy is a nice thing to have but the army is crutial to its survival. Similar for britain the army is a nice thing to have while the navy is crutial for their survival.

There is no way germany would EVER be able to outbuild britain because they would rather ration everything they have then allow the germans to threaten their survival.

[alpha2518]

Mar 8, 2023 18:40:53 GMT -6 shadowkiller44 said:

While germany was pretty estatic when it came to starting capital ships , pre dreadnaughts and dreadnaughts under tirpitz

"In January 1900 a British cruiser intercepted three German mail steamers and searched them for war supplies intended for the Boers. Germany was outraged and the opportunity presented itself for a second Naval Bill."

In 1912/1913 germany ordered the the last of the königs-class dreadnaught and briten countered with 5 dreadnaughts of the queen elizabeth class.

You have to consider that even IF the growth of germany keeps going on indefinetly they would reach a point where they simply WOUNT BE ABLE to build more capital ships. Germany is not Britain or the US and it has limits to naval production that cant simply solved with money. Or you would have to build ships in foreing dockyards just to have the dockyards space aviable for your production.

Also for germany the navy is a nice thing to have but the army is crutial to its survival. Similar for britain the army is a nice thing to have while the navy is crutial for their survival.

There is no way germany would EVER be able to outbuild britain because they would rather ration everything they have then allow the germans to threaten their survival.

I think you're getting lost here in limits too naval production that Germany actually had. My point isn't to do away with that through money. My point is if WW1 did so much damage economically that it essentially handicapped their rapid economic growth till post WW2, well wouldn't it make more sense for Germany to continue it's rapid economic growth short of a catastrophic defeat like WW1 that did such economic damage too Germany? Whether another modifier about their limited shipbuilding capacity is a separate discussion and does not detract from Germany continueing to experiance rapid economic growth in the absence of a WW1 style defeat w/3-4 years of war to inflict such economic damage via blockade minimum.

And more importantly, the reason this thread exists, is to have more ease in turning these additional features on and off without having to go into the text files. In addition to the suggestion of making some of these conditional where rapid economic growth phase 2 could be lost at least in the case of Germany.