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Post by blarglol on May 10, 2024 9:43:49 GMT -6
Yes, its just a plain text file IIRC. This is still missing in 1.00.46 for me - how do I get a preferences file? I never had this issue prior to these latest .40+ updates.
I used the button to set preferences prior to loading an old game (and also made a new one). No difference. Yes, I can set preferences before entering a game, but they don't save. There is no file for them to go into.
P.S. Also, oddly the Matrix updater didn't pick up on the .46 update being available. It read .42 and said I already have the latest version. I had to do to the Matrix website and download it manually, where it strangely lists the update date as March, 20, 2024...
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Post by williammiller on May 11, 2024 9:15:07 GMT -6
blarglol As an experiment of sorts, would you be willing to uninstall the game (copy & backup your save games first), and then re-install the game to the default location? For this purpose, please leave the save files in the default (install) location as well. Let us know if your issues still persist or not after this change - that might help us to narrow down the issue, for your machine at least if not for others.
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Post by blarglol on May 11, 2024 14:26:57 GMT -6
blarglol As an experiment of sorts, would you be willing to uninstall the game (copy & backup your save games first), and then re-install the game to the default location? For this purpose, please leave the save files in the default (install) location as well. Let us know if your issues still persist or not after this change - that might help us to narrow down the issue, for your machine at least if not for others. I uninstalled, deleted everything in My Games too. Reinstalled from base 1.00.03 to the default C:\Program Files (x86)\Matrix Games\Rule the Waves 3. Ran the updater to .40, and downloaded and applied .46.
The result is it's doing the exact same thing. Even in the default directory, it's not really "default" because the program is still trying to follow the PC's device name for some reason. Nothing has been changed or edited. It doesn't matter if I load an old save or start a new game. RTW3 doesn't like where my game is and won't create a preferences file. This is the same as it was on the D: drive.
This is on Windows 10 Home on a laptop.
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Post by bobrose on May 25, 2024 1:02:10 GMT -6
I have the same or similar problem with files, so I decided to reply to this post instead of starting new topic. Sorry if my decision is wrong, please correct me in such case.
I also have Home version of Windows 10 on laptop. My game version is Rule the Waves 3 1.00.46 from Steam.
In folder C:\Users\User\Documents\My Games\Rule the Waves 3 there are "Preferences" file and "Save" folder. This "My Games" folder appeared on hard drive only after install of Rule the Waves 3, and game required "Run as administrator" mandatory trough User Account Control window.
In folder C:\Users\User\OneDrive\Documents\My Games\Rule the Waves 3 there are "steam_autocloud.vdf" and "Launcher" folder. All other games like Skyrim use this My Games folder for save files and preferences.
So, files are divided into two different folders.
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Post by williammiller on May 25, 2024 10:44:36 GMT -6
Thanks for the report bobrose - This is an irregular issue that we are looking at.
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Post by blarglol on May 26, 2024 11:46:31 GMT -6
Thanks for the report bobrose - This is an irregular issue that we are looking at. So I took the standard Preferences file from bobrose and found an interesting result.
Step 1: Move the Preferences file to my game directory where the .exe file is
Step 2: Choose a program to open it with (Notepad++ in my case)
Step 3: Choose a test value to edit, for this test English rank names, setting it to 1 instead of 0
Step 4: Open a game save and view preferences
Step 5: Observe that changing that value actually correlated in game, ranks are now English
Step 6: Toggle the rest of the preferences to my liking, save, and exit
Step 7: Upon exiting the game I notice that the Preferences file DELETES itself, as in disappears from the game directory. This happened right in front of my eyes (I kept it open while playing and actually watched it disappear).
Step 8: Even stranger, see that it doesn't go into the recycle bin, it's just permanently deleted without warning. This is very odd...
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Post by bobrose on May 26, 2024 11:55:50 GMT -6
blarglolDid you try to set file settings to "Read Only"?
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Post by bobrose on May 26, 2024 13:03:38 GMT -6
blarglolI think I solved the problem at my PC and have suggestion how to solve it on yours if it still persistent. You need to manually create empty folders for game to write files and probably run it is as administrator. It helped my case. I attached the Users folder in probably correct path for you with default save and preferences files from clean install. If you put "Users" folder into C drive it should probably work. Game probably confused because "This PC" has two different meanings, name of the particular folder and your PC. Or it just lacks permission to create new folders. Or it is probably splits files into two different folders because one of them is for Launcher.exe and one for RTW3.exe. Or all said in the same time. Please doublecheck manually everything before applying on your PC!!! There should be just empty folders that game can not create and sole default Preferences file. Be aware that files from the Net can contain harmful code or whatever, also I can be just poor PC user and accidentally misspell something because English is not even my native language. I have basically no idea how this would work on your rig!!! Make back-up of everything involved first and pray for deity you worship if any. Attachments:Folders.zip (9.41 KB)
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Post by blarglol on Jul 7, 2024 13:32:50 GMT -6
bobrose williammiller Fredrik W - I believe I have solved the issue finally. Bob you were sort of right. Unbeknownst to me, my C:\Users\*username* was ***NOT*** what was actually my real username, my local account name. It was instead the first few letters of an old Microsoft Account username from an email. So, while this didn't seem to affect any other programs or applications that I could detect, it appeared that RTW3 (at least after a certain update for whatever reason) was susceptible to being affected by this. To remedy the situation I had to do the following. 1. You must first create another local account with admin privileges. On Windows 10 they try and hide this because they WANT you to use a MS account. Go to Settings, Accounts, "Family & other users," "Add someone else to this PC." 2. Then when they try and get you to use a MS account, hit "I don't have this person's sign-in information." Then click "Add a user without a Microsoft account," and set the name password, and security questions. 3. Give it admin privileges by finding it now under "Other users" in your settings, and click the button "Change account type." There should be a dropdown menu that will allow you to select "Administrator." 4. Log into your new user account, let it do it's dumb setup stuff. Reveal hidden files in this account by going to your file browser, view, options, change folder and search options, view, show hidden files folders and drives 5. Go to C:\Users\ and manually rename the old user account from whatever it was with the MS account, to what it's supposed to be. **WARNING** I take no liability for whatever this will do to some things on your machine, particularly if you are very plugged into the MS ecosystem and use OneDrive and stuff like that. This worked for me because I run a very minimalist machine connected to the bare minimum of services possible, doing most things manually myself 6. Lastly, go to Registry Editor. In there, go to here: Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\ProfileList and look at the options under that in the dropdown. They will be numbers and letters, but you can read on the right what is in them. Next to the line "ProfileImagePath" on one of these things, you should see the username you want to change. Right click ProfileImagePath and select modify. Type in the new name so C:\Users\etc is what it should be. Restart your PC, and go into your old account, now with a new name in C! With any luck, if you try RTW3 now, preferences should now save. TLDR - Microsoft accounts screw up the user account path and for whatever reason RTW3 is very susceptible to being confused by this, seemingly moreso than more modern programs. Hope this helps!
Also - unlike before, now my saves and preference file are in C:\Users\*username*\Documents\My Games\Rule the Waves 3. Prior to this tweak, they were not going there and what was in Documents was truncated and functionally useless.
Perhaps a post on the FAQ might be in order to help with this issue?
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Post by williammiller on Jul 7, 2024 13:43:23 GMT -6
Thanks blarglol - Appears as a fair workaround for now, but FYI we are currently looking at some longer-term updates to the engine/enviro that should fix this sort of issue.
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Post by blarglol on Jul 7, 2024 13:52:40 GMT -6
Thanks blarglol - Appears as a fair workaround for now, but FYI we are currently looking at some longer-term updates to the engine/enviro that should fix this sort of issue. No problem - the only downside I can see is that somehow it now seemed to reinstall RTW3 on my C drive...it's not on my D drive anymore. I will experiment later with wiping and reinstalling D to see how the game reacts to that directory.
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Post by xteam25boyz on Jul 17, 2024 15:49:29 GMT -6
Thanks blarglol - Appears as a fair workaround for now, but FYI we are currently looking at some longer-term updates to the engine/enviro that should fix this sort of issue. Is there a way to change the file saving system back? I think most of players also use there computer to work and they don't want to take the risk of mess up their user account just for playing rtw3. Why not just use your old way to keep save and preference files so make everything easier, since you have already seen people complaining for that and there are actually no real disadvantages for the old system? Update: Actually the mmethod won't break anything. Just go ahead.
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Post by wlbjork on Jul 17, 2024 21:22:53 GMT -6
Well, there was a major issue with the old system: They kept getting shredded by the Steam Cloud, leaving people with unplayable saves.
99%+ of players don't have an issue, as far as I can tell. It's just when it fails, it's very noticeable.
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Post by xteam25boyz on Jul 17, 2024 23:23:00 GMT -6
Well, there was a major issue with the old system: They kept getting shredded by the Steam Cloud, leaving people with unplayable saves. 99%+ of players don't have an issue, as far as I can tell. It's just when it fails, it's very noticeable. I thought I had this problem before (I never transferred save files via steam cloud successfully) but there are still some ways like simply using USB, google drive or anything else to play this game at different devices and that's most people do in rtw2. Like I said, now rtw3 is still trying to create a folder in my local account but the folder actually doesn't exist and I cannot creat any new account because the name has already been occupied. See? No way to save the preference setting. Update: Now it works. The real problem is that RTW is trying to find user data from your local account folder but normally Windows will create a user folder named by first 5 chacacters of you microsoft ID (normally your email address) so just follow the instruction from above (or you can just google how to switch the name of user folder), it won't break anything.
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Post by bobrose on Jul 19, 2024 11:21:52 GMT -6
bobrose williammiller Fredrik W - I believe I have solved the issue finally. Bob you were sort of right. Unbeknownst to me, my C:\Users\*username* was ***NOT*** what was actually my real username, my local account name. It was instead the first few letters of an old Microsoft Account username from an email. So, while this didn't seem to affect any other programs or applications that I could detect, it appeared that RTW3 (at least after a certain update for whatever reason) was susceptible to being affected by this. To remedy the situation I had to do the following. 1. You must first create another local account with admin privileges. On Windows 10 they try and hide this because they WANT you to use a MS account. Go to Settings, Accounts, "Family & other users," "Add someone else to this PC." 2. Then when they try and get you to use a MS account, hit "I don't have this person's sign-in information." Then click "Add a user without a Microsoft account," and set the name password, and security questions. 3. Give it admin privileges by finding it now under "Other users" in your settings, and click the button "Change account type." There should be a dropdown menu that will allow you to select "Administrator." 4. Log into your new user account, let it do it's dumb setup stuff. Reveal hidden files in this account by going to your file browser, view, options, change folder and search options, view, show hidden files folders and drives 5. Go to C:\Users\ and manually rename the old user account from whatever it was with the MS account, to what it's supposed to be. **WARNING** I take no liability for whatever this will do to some things on your machine, particularly if you are very plugged into the MS ecosystem and use OneDrive and stuff like that. This worked for me because I run a very minimalist machine connected to the bare minimum of services possible, doing most things manually myself 6. Lastly, go to Registry Editor. In there, go to here: Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\ProfileList and look at the options under that in the dropdown. They will be numbers and letters, but you can read on the right what is in them. Next to the line "ProfileImagePath" on one of these things, you should see the username you want to change. Right click ProfileImagePath and select modify. Type in the new name so C:\Users\etc is what it should be. Restart your PC, and go into your old account, now with a new name in C! With any luck, if you try RTW3 now, preferences should now save. TLDR - Microsoft accounts screw up the user account path and for whatever reason RTW3 is very susceptible to being confused by this, seemingly moreso than more modern programs. Hope this helps!
Also - unlike before, now my saves and preference file are in C:\Users\*username*\Documents\My Games\Rule the Waves 3. Prior to this tweak, they were not going there and what was in Documents was truncated and functionally useless.
Perhaps a post on the FAQ might be in order to help with this issue?
This step-by-step guide works for me as well. Now, I can save preferences, as well as Steam Cloud saves are fully functional (I did not even know devs implemented this feature fully for RTW, because until recently it either did not work or showed sync error). Microsoft services and other programs work as usual after I moved data from old user folder to new one. Thank you!
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