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Post by dorn on Mar 9, 2019 10:33:34 GMT -6
No, I mean HMS Ark Royal from WW2. But I think they did not meet. Just interested to see Ark Royal with 2 deck hangar in comparison with Illustrious class in real photo.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Mar 9, 2019 10:51:23 GMT -6
No, I mean HMS Ark Royal from WW2. But I think they did not meet. Just interested to see Ark Royal with 2 deck hangar in comparison with Illustrious class in real photo. Ok then you want actual hanger photos comparing those two ships, the Original HMS Ark Royal and an Illustrious class carrier. Is that correct? It might be easier to use a scaled drawing personally.
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Post by axe99 on Mar 9, 2019 16:11:54 GMT -6
Does anybody know if HMS Ark Royal (91) was anybody together some of the Illustrious class? And if in this case is there any existing photo?
I think that they were never operating together even not met in port as HMS Ark Royal was in Force H and Illustrious class operated at that time in east Mediterranean through Cape o Good Hope.
I can't recall seeing any - as you say, they operated in different places and there wasn't a huge window (half a year or so) between Illustrious becoming operational and Ark Royal being sunk. At one point Illustrious would have transited south to the Med - the only thing I can think of is them bumping into each other on Illustrious' way past if she stopped at Gibraltar.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Mar 9, 2019 16:21:29 GMT -6
Does anybody know if HMS Ark Royal (91) was anybody together some of the Illustrious class? And if in this case is there any existing photo?
I think that they were never operating together even not met in port as HMS Ark Royal was in Force H and Illustrious class operated at that time in east Mediterranean through Cape o Good Hope.
I can't recall seeing any - as you say, they operated in different places and there wasn't a huge window (half a year or so) between Illustrious becoming operational and Ark Royal being sunk. At one point Illustrious would have transited south to the Med - the only thing I can think of is them bumping into each other on Illustrious' way past if she stopped at Gibraltar. I just researched these two ships, HMS Illustrious was attacked by dive bombers on 11 January 1941 while escorting a convoy, she was bombed again in Malta during repairs then she went to Norfolk naval yard for repairs wasn’t released until May 1942. HMS Ark Royal was sunk on 13 November 1941 by a torpedo. It is possible that the two crossed paths, but not probable because Illustrious was out of the Med by early January.
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Post by dorn on Mar 9, 2019 17:27:23 GMT -6
Thanks both. I thought that no from Illustrious class aircraft carriers met Ark Royal ....
I am just interested how it would look like both next near each other. One thing is looking at plans, designs, or even separeted photos, other is having 2 ships on one photo - how much large Ark Royal seems.
oldpop2000: Yes, Gibraltar, it is only place that I think it could happen.
And I find something:
HMS Illustrious
August Short refit at Clydebank before flying exercises with squadrons embarked (Note: External DG Cable replaced by internal wiring. External cable had been damage during Atlantic passage.) Passage to Gibraltar 30th Sailed from Gibraltar for transit of Mediterranean in Force F with HM Battleship VALIANT, HM Anti-Aircraft Cruiser CALCUTTA and COVENTRY covered by ships of Force H to reinforce Mediterranean Fleet at Alexandria. (Operation HATS). (For details of Mediterranean naval activities in 1940-42 see ENGAGE THE ENEMY MORE CLOSELY by Corelli Barnett, THE BATTLE FOR THE MEDITERRANEAN by D MacIntyre and Naval Staff History).
HMS Ark Royal 30th – At 0845 Force H comprising RENOWN (Flag CINC Force H), ARK ROYAL, SHEFFIELD, FAULKNOR (D8), FIREDRAKE, FORESIGHT, FORESTER, FURY, FORTUNE, ENCOUNTER, VELOX and WISHART. Force F comprising VALIANT, ILLUSTRIOUS, COVENTRY, CALCUTTA, GALLANT, GREYHOUND, GRIFFIN and HOTSPUR. Force A comprising JANUS, HERO, MOHAWK and NUBIAN. Sailed from Gibraltar on Operations HATS, SQUAWK, SMASH and GRAB.
So both were at Gibraltar at end of August 1940. I am curios if any photo of this two carrier exists.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Mar 9, 2019 18:51:21 GMT -6
Thanks both. I thought that no from Illustrious class aircraft carriers met Ark Royal ....
I am just interested how it would look like both next near each other. One thing is looking at plans, designs, or even separeted photos, other is having 2 ships on one photo - how much large Ark Royal seems.
oldpop2000 : Yes, Gibraltar, it is only place that I think it could happen.
And I find something:
HMS Illustrious
August Short refit at Clydebank before flying exercises with squadrons embarked (Note: External DG Cable replaced by internal wiring. External cable had been damage during Atlantic passage.) Passage to Gibraltar 30th Sailed from Gibraltar for transit of Mediterranean in Force F with HM Battleship VALIANT, HM Anti-Aircraft Cruiser CALCUTTA and COVENTRY covered by ships of Force H to reinforce Mediterranean Fleet at Alexandria. (Operation HATS). (For details of Mediterranean naval activities in 1940-42 see ENGAGE THE ENEMY MORE CLOSELY by Corelli Barnett, THE BATTLE FOR THE MEDITERRANEAN by D MacIntyre and Naval Staff History).
HMS Ark Royal 30th – At 0845 Force H comprising RENOWN (Flag CINC Force H), ARK ROYAL, SHEFFIELD, FAULKNOR (D8), FIREDRAKE, FORESIGHT, FORESTER, FURY, FORTUNE, ENCOUNTER, VELOX and WISHART. Force F comprising VALIANT, ILLUSTRIOUS, COVENTRY, CALCUTTA, GALLANT, GREYHOUND, GRIFFIN and HOTSPUR. Force A comprising JANUS, HERO, MOHAWK and NUBIAN. Sailed from Gibraltar on Operations HATS, SQUAWK, SMASH and GRAB.
So both were at Gibraltar at end of August 1940. I am curios if any photo of this two carrier exists.
The only way to really verify that both were in Gibraltar is to find the log books for both ships. I don't know if the Ark Royals were removed before she sank but they probably were. You can then see if the Log books record the presence of the other ship.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Mar 10, 2019 11:49:22 GMT -6
I remembered this website in my archives. I am providing a link to British Royal Navy records for WW2. It might help to find the information you are seeking. Examine on the left hand side, the 1000 Warship Service Histories. That might have the information www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1003-Intro.htm#WW2
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Post by dorn on Mar 10, 2019 14:08:53 GMT -6
I remembered this website in my archives. I am providing a link to British Royal Navy records for WW2. It might help to find the information you are seeking. Examine on the left hand side, the 1000 Warship Service Histories. That might have the information www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1003-Intro.htm#WW2Thanks, this is the webpage where I found that they were both in Gibraltar. However it seems that if some photos were made there are not digitalized. I have found no one yet.
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Post by axe99 on Mar 10, 2019 15:17:27 GMT -6
I can't recall seeing any - as you say, they operated in different places and there wasn't a huge window (half a year or so) between Illustrious becoming operational and Ark Royal being sunk. At one point Illustrious would have transited south to the Med - the only thing I can think of is them bumping into each other on Illustrious' way past if she stopped at Gibraltar. I just researched these two ships, HMS Illustrious was attacked by dive bombers on 11 January 1941 while escorting a convoy, she was bombed again in Malta during repairs then she went to Norfolk naval yard for repairs wasn’t released until May 1942. HMS Ark Royal was sunk on 13 November 1941 by a torpedo. It is possible that the two crossed paths, but not probable because Illustrious was out of the Med by early January. Sorry, right you are, brain fuzzy, I got Victorious and Illustrious mixed up in my head, thanks for sorting that out!
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jul 21, 2019 9:57:31 GMT -6
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jul 22, 2019 9:17:38 GMT -6
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jul 24, 2019 11:05:00 GMT -6
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jul 28, 2019 10:19:38 GMT -6
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jul 28, 2019 17:06:24 GMT -6
Another interesting article on the F-35 development and improvements - nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/f-35-getting-new-feature-could-be-game-changer-69751Just for information: Jet's have had terrain following radar for many years to perform exactly what this new avionics does. Essentially it is a high prf forward looking radar coupled to the AFCS. When a topographic obstacle is encountered, the AFCS using this data will automatically avoid the obstacle. The AFCS also had a doppler altimeter that fires signals downward and that information is couple to the AFCS. One version is the APN-141. It was essentially a electronic altimeter good from zero altitude to 5000 feet. It had an accuracy of about + or -5 feet. I don't think we are going to get much information for a while but it has to do exactly what the two systems I've explained. It probably adds GPS and all this information goes to the main computer system. Just a guess. I worked on the APN-141 so I can't go into any more detail.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jul 30, 2019 14:15:14 GMT -6
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