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Post by boomboomf22 on May 14, 2017 11:30:56 GMT -6
Fair
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Post by Enderminion on May 14, 2017 15:09:36 GMT -6
Though the F-34 was used as a naval gun in WW2 since the Russians built gunboats that essentially were T-34 turrets mounted on the hull. still designed for light mounts
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Post by Airy W on May 14, 2017 23:03:42 GMT -6
but I believe the river monitors used by the US in Vietnam were technically considered part of the USMC. John Kerry was in the Navy when he famously served on a swift boat with such cowardice that he was awarded a silver star. Maybe some boats were under the marines and some were just under the navy?
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Post by cv10 on May 15, 2017 9:07:45 GMT -6
but I believe the river monitors used by the US in Vietnam were technically considered part of the USMC. John Kerry was in the Navy when he famously served on a swift boat with such cowardice that he was awarded a silver star. Maybe some boats were under the marines and some were just under the navy? I think all of them were all attached to the Navy navy, they were a part of the Navy-controlled "Brown Water Navy": River Assault Flotilla One, which was comprised of four different River Assault Divisions: 91, 92, 111, 112. The monitors were converted LCMs, so you'd need the Navy to run them. The Mobile Marine Assault Force was a joint-Army/Navy force, with the army supplying the troops and the Navy supplying the ships and crews.
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Post by director on May 22, 2017 7:09:20 GMT -6
Originally the river gunboats in the ACW were ordered by the War Department (Army) with some input and officers provided by the Navy. That proved unworkable so the whole riverine thing was transferred over to the Navy. There were never enough sailors, though, so a lot of the crews were seconded over from the Army. The Navy commanders (like Foote and Porter) were good at working with Army commanders like Grant, so those joint operations were mostly successful.
The riverine craft of the Vietnam War were variously armed just as the PT boats of WW2. American servicemen in the field will improvise, add-on, up-gun and otherwise work to make their gear do what they want. Sometimes that results in things that become official later.
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Post by oldpop2000 on May 22, 2017 7:27:01 GMT -6
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Post by marcorossolini on May 22, 2017 19:38:35 GMT -6
Weren't those riverine thought? does exclcivly river gunboats count as navy? Not sure Depends. The Mississipi Gunboats of the USCW fell under the authority of the US Navy; Kitchener's gunboats during the Sudan Campaign were built and manned by Royal Navy personnel; but I believe the river monitors used by the US in Vietnam were technically considered part of the USMC. Effectively, but they were used in the Black sea around Kerch etc.
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Post by oldpop2000 on May 22, 2017 20:36:41 GMT -6
Originally the river gunboats in the ACW were ordered by the War Department (Army) with some input and officers provided by the Navy. That proved unworkable so the whole riverine thing was transferred over to the Navy. There were never enough sailors, though, so a lot of the crews were seconded over from the Army. The Navy commanders (like Foote and Porter) were good at working with Army commanders like Grant, so those joint operations were mostly successful. The riverine craft of the Vietnam War were variously armed just as the PT boats of WW2. American servicemen in the field will improvise, add-on, up-gun and otherwise work to make their gear do what they want. Sometimes that results in things that become official later. The Rivers and canals of Vietnam, were the responsibility of COMNAVFORV or Commander, U.S.Naval Forces, Vietnam. They were organized as TF 116 and TF 117. In 1968, Admiral Elmo Zumwalt took command of those forces. In fact, the Marines were better trained for this job, but didn't want it, so the US Army took on the job. There was a force titled the " Mobile Riverine Force" which was a unique Army-Navy strike force in the Mekong Delta. This force was the first since the Civil War. All the boats in TF 117 were homeported in San Diego, and were part of the US Amphibious Force, Pacific Fleet. When I first started at North Island, I had to drive by the Ampbib Base in Coronado. I used to see these boats and others lined up on the piers.
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