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Post by Airy W on May 13, 2017 8:46:26 GMT -6
Historically Italy was dependent on British and Czeck imports for artillery in 1900, including for 3 inch guns. But in the game Italy gets +1 3 inch artillery.
The French 3 inch guns model 1897 was a revolutionary design. Even in WWII it was the most common artillery for the Germans, Soviets and Americans. But in game France doesn't get +1 3 inch artillery. If anyone should have +1 3 inch artillery it's the french!
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Post by Enderminion on May 13, 2017 8:53:32 GMT -6
the M1897 is not a naval gun, there is a huge difference between a ([very]light) howitzer and a naval gun
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Post by oaktree on May 13, 2017 9:45:57 GMT -6
Historically Italy was dependent on British and Czeck imports for artillery in 1900, including for 3 inch guns. But in the game Italy gets +1 3 inch artillery. The French 3 inch guns model 1897 was a revolutionary design. Even in WWII it was the most common artillery for the Germans, Soviets and Americans. But in game France doesn't get +1 3 inch artillery. If anyone should have +1 3 inch artillery it's the french! Another factor could be the optics, training mechanism, and even firing procedures. You might have a good gun in terms of ballistics, but if the sights and gunnery aiming controls are crap it doesn't do you much good. |
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Post by archelaos on May 13, 2017 11:36:57 GMT -6
the M1897 is not a naval gun, there is a huge difference between a ([very]light) howitzer and a naval gun Mle 1897 is not a howitzer, it's a direct fire QF gun. On standard carriage, it's so poorly suited to indirect fire, it was sometimes put on position with tails placed in hole dug in ground. In WWII they were mostly useful as AT gun due to this. That said, according to navyweaps, first french naval 75mm (3") gun was model 1908 |
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Post by boomboomf22 on May 13, 2017 11:40:21 GMT -6
Not to mention the horribly wrong statement that the M1897 was the most common gun used by the Germans, and Soviets
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Post by Airy W on May 13, 2017 15:16:52 GMT -6
the M1897 is not a naval gun, there is a huge difference between a ([very]light) howitzer and a naval gun Just to clarify, you seem to be saying that a land 3 inch gun is lighter then a naval 3 inch gun. As in like a lighter shell? |
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Post by boomboomf22 on May 13, 2017 17:04:15 GMT -6
the M1897 is not a naval gun, there is a huge difference between a ([very]light) howitzer and a naval gun Just to clarify, you seem to be saying that a land 3 inch gun is lighter then a naval 3 inch gun. As in like a lighter shell? Lighter shell, as well as the gun is physically lighter due too mounting requirements. Or at least that would be my interpretation. |
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Post by Enderminion on May 13, 2017 18:50:03 GMT -6
the M1897 is not a naval gun, there is a huge difference between a ([very]light) howitzer and a naval gun Just to clarify, you seem to be saying that a land 3 inch gun is lighter then a naval 3 inch gun. As in like a lighter shell? naval guns tend to fire bigger shots faster then land cannons. American 3"/50 naval guns fire 11kg shells while the M2/M3/M6 75mm cannons fired 6.76kg shells (the M2/M3/M6 was based off the French 75, so a more neutral example, the Soviet F-34 3" gun {T-34s and the like} fire slighlty lighter shells, at 6.3kg for AP-HE shells) |
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Post by boomboomf22 on May 14, 2017 2:48:43 GMT -6
incidentally niether the f-34 nor the ZIS-5 were copies of the french 75. I believe the F-32 was an extensively modified version though, and the soviets lost most of those in 41'
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Post by Enderminion on May 14, 2017 5:52:36 GMT -6
incidentally niether the f-34 nor the ZIS-5 were copies of the french 75. I believe the F-32 was an extensively modified version though, and the soviets lost most of those in 41' which is why I included them |
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Post by Airy W on May 14, 2017 7:48:31 GMT -6
K, thanks guys.
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Post by oaktree on May 14, 2017 9:14:53 GMT -6
Though the F-34 was used as a naval gun in WW2 since the Russians built gunboats that essentially were T-34 turrets mounted on the hull.
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Post by boomboomf22 on May 14, 2017 11:09:13 GMT -6
incidentally niether the f-34 nor the ZIS-5 were copies of the french 75. I believe the F-32 was an extensively modified version though, and the soviets lost most of those in 41' which is why I included them Fair, I just love a chance to throw my ww2 knowledge around |
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Post by boomboomf22 on May 14, 2017 11:10:06 GMT -6
Though the F-34 was used as a naval gun in WW2 since the Russians built gunboats that essentially were T-34 turrets mounted on the hull. Weren't those riverine thought? does exclcivly river gunboats count as navy? Not sure |
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Post by babylon218 on May 14, 2017 11:22:03 GMT -6
Though the F-34 was used as a naval gun in WW2 since the Russians built gunboats that essentially were T-34 turrets mounted on the hull. Weren't those riverine thought? does exclcivly river gunboats count as navy? Not sure Depends. The Mississipi Gunboats of the USCW fell under the authority of the US Navy; Kitchener's gunboats during the Sudan Campaign were built and manned by Royal Navy personnel; but I believe the river monitors used by the US in Vietnam were technically considered part of the USMC. |
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