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Post by garrisonchisholm on Jun 5, 2019 22:06:36 GMT -6
Can you imagine a world where this ship is a good idea?... *shudder* I was holding out, just making better and better "super cruisers", but then they said No, build battleships you will. Sigh.
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Post by griffin01 on Jun 14, 2019 11:31:58 GMT -6
Can you imagine a world where this ship is a good idea?... *shudder* I was holding out, just making better and better "super cruisers", but then they said No, build battleships you will. Sigh. Didn't some South American navy consider 10" armed battleships? By the way, why are those considered B's? Because of the gun caliber?
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Jun 14, 2019 11:36:36 GMT -6
Gun Caliber and Speed. They stretch the limits of the 'b' definition, but B's they are.
They would decimate a fleet of traditional Bs, but their life span would be about 30 months after the treaty ended.
Yes, the South American dreadnought race started with a pair of old American battleships on the blocks I think, but then swiftly left the path of wisdom.
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Post by griffin01 on Jun 14, 2019 12:05:45 GMT -6
Gun Caliber and Speed. They stretch the limits of the 'b' definition, but B's they are. They would decimate a fleet of traditional Bs, but their life span would be about 30 months after the treaty ended. Yes, the South American dreadnought race started with a pair of old American battleships on the blocks I think, but then swiftly left the path of wisdom. I wouldn't go as far as saying they would "decimate" them. They are quite oversized armoured cruisers, in my opinion, and could potentially suffer in an engagement unless you fought at range. After some digging I believe these were initial proposals for the Brazilian battleships.
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Post by mycophobia on Jun 14, 2019 12:30:14 GMT -6
Gun Caliber and Speed. They stretch the limits of the 'b' definition, but B's they are. They would decimate a fleet of traditional Bs, but their life span would be about 30 months after the treaty ended. Yes, the South American dreadnought race started with a pair of old American battleships on the blocks I think, but then swiftly left the path of wisdom. I wouldn't go as far as saying they would "decimate" them. They are quite oversized armoured cruisers, in my opinion, and could potentially suffer in an engagement unless you fought at range. After some digging I believe these were initial proposals for the Brazilian battleships. Actually, with the poor pen of early guns that ends up on early Bs, 11.5 inch should probably keep them pretty safe from any 12in guns that will be used before the treaty. 10in is not likely to get a lot of pens except at really close range, but they will uttery wreck the structure of old Bs. But ya ,once the treaty ends these ships are pretty dead meat.
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Post by generalvikus on Jun 15, 2019 1:39:48 GMT -6
@garrisoncholm why 8 4 and 4 3 inch guns?
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Jun 15, 2019 2:07:53 GMT -6
Graphics only. With cross-fire, secondary turrets wouldn't end up in a smart place so I made them casement, and I had been tweaking and re-tweaking and had little tonnage left. I was also kind of done with the process. Obviously there was something more intelligent to do with that non-main-gun gunnery tonnage.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Jun 18, 2019 21:58:34 GMT -6
This was pretty amusing- So the only place I could fight Japan was in SEA, and I planned for it, but wouldn't you know the first action of the war was in the North Sea, as an armored cruiser sank one of my CLs. Over the next two months I lost a couple destroyers, and twice had "enemy outnumbers you" events around Java, and I realized I was losing ground. So in month 4 I started unrestricted submarine warfare with about 45 boats. Three months later in month 7 the government came to me and said "we should find an easy way out of this and take it", and I almost took the prestige and said Heck No, but instead said 'ok, but no territory.' Well nothing came of the negotiations. The next month my sub campaign scored my 405 VPs and collapsed their government. I went from trying to squeak out of a narrow loss with nothing lost to complete victory in 30 days. Unfortunately in the peace (and my eagerness to save) I misread Hokaido as Hainan, so I have a really untenable commitment to NEA rather than a much stronger position in SEA. Sigh. (yes, I know, my staff would not have let me make that mistake in real life, but I can't bring myself to edit the save)
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Post by rodentnavy on Jun 19, 2019 2:26:36 GMT -6
Unfortunately in the peace (and my eagerness to save) I misread Hokaido as Hainan, so I have a really untenable commitment to NEA rather than a much stronger position in SEA. Sigh. (yes, I know, my staff would not have let me make that mistake in real life, but I can't bring myself to edit the save) The Imperialist faction in the Cabinet overrode your objections but lied to you about being willing to accept Hainan instead of a symbolic portion of the Japanese home islands as they truly planned. You found yourself reading about it the papers like the common peons. Now you have the further joy of trying to defend it.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Jun 19, 2019 7:38:19 GMT -6
That has happened twice now. In the Second war with Japan I simply had some destroyers in NEA, I practically invited them to take it back. They invaded in Month 4, and for 6 months my troops held them off as I was losing the war by a wide margin- until an unexpected white peace saved them (curses!). In the Third war with Japan they were serious, and must have landed with 10 divisions because they took it in a single month. I lost that war giving up "minor concessions", but my position is much better. Though it is 1945, and wrenching the navy into modernity seems to be my final task in this game. Edit; I take that back... The Soviet Union has been expanding into Africa while I have been consolidating SEA, and now it looks like it is up to France and Holland to stem the tide. This war was quite unexpected, tensions spiked from 6 to 7 to 10 to war from a benign 3-4-5 level. I have too many DDs (because of my replacement policy) and not enough CVs, and the world has been in an 18k/12" treaty since the end of my 3rd war with Japan.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Aug 2, 2019 8:57:58 GMT -6
1933, my 8 Italian Bs were exiled to Port Arthur because I needed tonnage there and I couldn't imagine I would be fighting Russia again before they could be retired. Well I was wrong, and now I was turning back an invasion escorted by 3 BBs and a BC. It was ugly, but I only lost 2 and managed to sink all the transports (thank you quasi-modern destroyers). The Leonardo Da Vinci however had a very harrowing day. Just before the Major fire they had had a close call with a secondary battery fire that was extinguished in the same minute. Then this happened.
30 03:55 13 in 13050 yds Superstructure hit * Fire started (BB Imperator Aleksandr I, AP) 30 03:58 Fire spreads 30 04:00 Fire spreads 30 04:01 10 in 14761 yds Turret A hit TT Turret disabled (BB Tsesarevich, AP) 30 04:01 13 in 15051 yds Turret A hit TT * Turret disabled (BB Imperator Aleksandr I, HE) 30 04:01 14 in 13049 yds Submerged torpedo flat hit * (BC Kinburn, AP) 30 04:02 Fire reduced by damage control 30 04:04 Fire spreads 30 04:14 Fire spreads 30 04:18 Fire reduced by damage control 30 04:35 Fire reduced by damage control 30 04:43 Fire spreads 30 04:53 Fire reduced by damage control 30 05:45 Fire spreads 30 05:49 Fire reduced by damage control 30 06:17 Fire reduced by damage control 30 06:48 Fire spreads 30 06:48 Fire reduced by damage control 30 06:52 Fire spreads 30 07:02 Fire spreads 30 07:07 Fire spreads 30 07:08 Fire reduced by damage control 30 07:12 Fire spreads 30 07:17 Fire spreads 30 07:21 Fire reduced by damage control 30 07:36 Fire reduced by damage control 30 07:49 Fire reduced by damage control 30 07:50 Fire reduced by damage control 30 07:56 Fire reduced by damage control 30 07:57 Fire extinguished
3 hours and 20 minutes before they really got a handle on it.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Aug 4, 2019 8:35:18 GMT -6
Here's a howdy do. I had been quite pleased with what I accomplished, and had laboriously built up my fleet at the expense of technology with 4 modern ("modern") early 30's BBs. Then this World War broke out, and in the second month an American force descended on my northern coast. In a natural tragedy, my 5 converted CVLs could not launch their torpedo bombers in the dead calm of that morning, leaving me no option but spend them in near-futile level-bombing efforts with only a light load. The 2 modern "Richelieu" style English BBs that were in my line did not help, and at the end of the day the only BBs left in the Spanish Navy were the 3 in the Support Force that never saw action. I did say near-futile however. Though a torpedo from a Naval Air Station was likely the coup-de-grace, a 600 pound bomb dropped by a level bombing attack from one of my TBs started this ship's flooding troubles. Even though I did better in that action than my pure losses would show, I honestly feel this must finally be the final end of the Spanish Empire. We shall see.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Oct 18, 2019 22:10:01 GMT -6
An auspicious game. In the 24 months of this 1920 start as Italy, the Soviet Union has occupied the Baltic States, Norway & Iceland, and the Washington Naval Treaty is still in force.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Dec 6, 2019 19:52:06 GMT -6
I found this interesting- I thought I had disengaged with only inconclusive shorts fired, and found I was rewarded a major victory. Checking the log I found that the enemy lost a BC to a half-dozen 15" waterline hits after a few hours, and then also this cruiser. The ship was targeted by main batteries for only a brief while before the enemy BC came into range. The 3rd and final hit started a fire that 5 minutes after this log-point spread a stage further, forcing the ship to be abandoned.
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Post by mycophobia on Dec 6, 2019 22:45:44 GMT -6
That CA is a very peculiar AI design, almost akin to a mini early BC. I’ve neveer seen the ai build anything like this before. Was there some kind of treaty in effect?
My guess would be the 15” bridge hit really messed up crew quality and hindered effort to fight the fire. The bunch of secondary hits probably didn’t help either.
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