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Post by kasuga on Mar 21, 2015 13:02:51 GMT -6
Well, the fun part is in create your own fleet using a mix of old designs and modern designs, my goal is for example "revive" armored cruisers using Deuchland class as base... i think in 12.000-15.000 tons and or original 3x2 11 turrets or 2x3 11 turrets, i know BCs are a much better option but i want try a design cheaper that permit me have a good number for all type of missions. Phoenix, you plan a Fisher fleet??? be carefull with "rain"
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Post by Fredrik W on Mar 22, 2015 1:31:07 GMT -6
Thanks Fredrik. I'm sure I'll buy it and try it (if only to support your games, because SAI and RJW are fantastic). It sounds interesting. Been reading about Jackie Fisher recently, so maybe that will inspire me to build a navy...... Look forward to it, anyway. How far off is it? We did a redesign of the strategic system and added a strategic world map and area deployment as a result of input during testing. That added about a month or so. Definitely before summer, that I all I can promise right now.
Thanks for the support!
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Post by kasuga on Mar 22, 2015 5:37:27 GMT -6
Nice, around may... not far from i estimate.
Maybe when we start april is a good idea release official info about game in specific thread if you have time to do this.
Good luck.
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Post by phoenix on Mar 22, 2015 10:49:09 GMT -6
Nice boats, Kasuga! They will have a problem in the wet, yes. But is there a connection with Sir John Fisher? If so, I missed it.
Peter
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Post by kasuga on Mar 23, 2015 4:59:07 GMT -6
Fisher, the father of paper BC, good to hunt inferior ships but not to deal with similar or superior ships... to expensive to be "raider hunters".
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Post by dickturpin on Mar 24, 2015 14:43:43 GMT -6
good to hunt inferior ships For at least the first couple of years after launch, that is anything afloat!!!
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Post by brucesim2003 on Mar 25, 2015 2:27:36 GMT -6
I'm thinking that missions that virtually require BC's (shore bombardment)are a bad idea. Remember, only 3 fleets built them, and one of those fleets didn't use them in action until after they were upgraded to fast battleships.
Cheers
Bruce
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Post by phoenix on Mar 25, 2015 8:25:03 GMT -6
Ah. Now I see. Father of the dreadnought too, surely. Though that had a limited shelf-life also, of course. But then all these big ships basically had a window of glory - if that's what it can be called - that lasted only at max 40 years, probably only 20 years (1895 to 1915, say) when they really peaked. No?
That was a complex linguistic/visual pun, Kasuga. No the wonder it left me behind! I shall reward you with this great picture. You've probably seen it before, of course. I love it because the subtle (digitally added) colour really brings it to life, I think, makes you feel like you can see it as it was.
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Post by kasuga on Mar 25, 2015 8:39:48 GMT -6
Thanks for the pic.
Well, the problem with ships is how after middle XIX century the evolution made them obsolete very fast (in less than a century we move from woodships to CVs using airplanes) but at least in WWI and WWII era evolution was less "exotic" than pre WWI and post WWII.
Lets see what we can do from 1900 to 20s hehehe.
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Post by vonfriedman on Mar 25, 2015 14:08:15 GMT -6
Ah. Now I see. Father of the dreadnought too, surely. Though that had a limited shelf-life also, of course. But then all these big ships basically had a window of glory - if that's what it can be called - that lasted only at max 40 years, probably only 20 years (1895 to 1915, say) when they really peaked. No?
That was a complex linguistic/visual pun, Kasuga. No the wonder it left me behind! I shall reward you with this great picture. You've probably seen it before, of course. I love it because the subtle (digitally added) colour really brings it to life, I think, makes you feel like you can see it as it was.
Fine picture of a fine product made in Italy. Moreover the dreadnought concept was highlighted by General (Engineers Corps) Vittorio E. Cuniberti of the Italian Navy in an article on Jane's Fighting Ships in 1903.
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Post by phoenix on Mar 26, 2015 6:07:03 GMT -6
Whilst the Kasuga was certainly Italian, Vonfriedman, I think you must be mistaken about the dreadnought thing, because I was taught when I was very little that EVERYTHING of any consequence was invented in England. I'm sure they weren't lying. Nobody would lie to a child like that.....
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Post by kasuga on Mar 26, 2015 6:27:29 GMT -6
Well, Italy was pioneering in naval area before WWI, specially before XX century.
The question is what you understand by invent... the guy that have the idea or the guy that has the money and resources to put the idea in the real world???
PD: curious is the same situation like with strategic bombing the guys that have the idea cant implement it (again italian has idea and UK use it).
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Post by phoenix on Mar 27, 2015 2:45:42 GMT -6
Yes. I was joking about England... but you're right, Kasuga, having an idea for a dreadnought doesn't necessarily make you the father of the dreadnought. Leonardo da Vinci (another Italian, though 'Italy' didn't exist then, as such...) is hardly the father of the helicopter.
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Post by dickturpin on Mar 28, 2015 6:05:47 GMT -6
Well, Italy was pioneering in naval area before WWI, specially before XX century. The Italian Garibaldi Class is credited as being the inspiration for the British Director of Naval Construction, William White's proposals leading to the Cressy Class of armoured cruiser. This is the direct ancestor of the battlecruiser (in practice, the transition from armoured cruiser to battlecruiser is somewhat blurred; Invincible, Indefatigable and the early Japanese big gun cruisers were not originally called battlecruisers and the Germans never used any approximation of this term). As a young nation, Italy had issues with resources and build time but this should in no way detract from their designers who were highly innovative. The points made by Kasuga, von Friedman and Phoenix are important in the context of RtW insofar as all the major players had innovative and imaginative design solutions and the temptation to allow the largest nation to out tech its rivals and build super ships should be avoided. This is important from the perspective of historical realism and gameplay in my opinion.
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Post by phoenix on Mar 30, 2015 5:55:48 GMT -6
I've mentioned this before, if you're reading, ever, Fredrik W, but is it possible to get an option, at least, to have the boats represented 1:1 scale, even if that means they're tiny and lack the detail on the present pictures? Quite often when I'm watching battle action in real time, really close in it's disturbing to not know where exactly they are in relation to each other, to see torps going straight through ships (ships going straight through ships!) etc. For realism and immersion I would really appreciate seeing the boats 'life size'. Any chance of that in RtW?
Peter
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