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Post by kaguya on Jul 9, 2019 22:03:14 GMT -6
Has anyone else found wars against the United States as Japan to be lacking in action? The American fleet will sit on the east coast no matter what happens to their possessions or no matter how the war is going. I've had the Americans own South Korea and invaded it in a war, yet the navy never shows up. The most I've seen were 4 capital ships in Southeast Asia out of a total of 40 ships, with the rest traveling between the east coast, the Carribean, and Northern Europe. The only way to win the war is to just spam submarines because fights never happen.
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Post by dizzy on Jul 9, 2019 22:20:28 GMT -6
Yes. The posture of USA's navy doesn't coincide with tensions it seems. There were five zones I was contesting against the USA, North/Central/South Pacific, South/Northeast Asia in my latest campaign and I had maybe one fleet battle of any importance which was on the small side despite having some seriously large naval deployments in those contested zones.
I would say the fun factor sucked because the USA never really engaged my fleet. I fought a TON of medium and small battles which became annoying. Even after I had completed invasions and whittled the USA down to one or two contested zones, and despite us both having BB/BC/CV assets in play, I never got more than one fleet battle. I was completely disappointed.
This isn't to say that I've never had fleet battles agains the USA. I have. Playing as Britain, France and Germany, I've had huge battles agains the USA multiple times. But as Japan, I dunno. What the heck is wrong with the USA? Maybe if Hawaii had more possession value and base support value they'd place more of their fleet there? I never got a chance to do a sneak attack, because despite level 11 Tension with them, their fleet posture was mostly benign in that zone. It's like they didn't care about Pearl Harbor. Totally disapointed. I'd love to see a fix for that.
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Post by desdinova on Jul 9, 2019 22:50:10 GMT -6
I just had an unexpected 1905 war against the USA and didn't experience this. We sunk their two Southeast Asia cruisers, squandered our numerical superiority due to "weather", then they slowly moved their whole fleet in. Managed to slowly attrit them through cruiser battles. Finally got an invasion battle and won it, but despite being 20000 points ahead the war ended in "minor concessions" right after. Every time, I swear to God...
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Post by kaguya on Jul 9, 2019 22:59:50 GMT -6
I just had an unexpected 1905 war against the USA and didn't experience this. We sunk their two Southeast Asia cruisers, squandered our numerical superiority due to "weather", then they slowly moved their whole fleet in. Managed to slowly attrit them through cruiser battles. Finally got an invasion battle and won it, but despite being 20000 points ahead the war ended in "minor concessions" right after. Every time, I swear to God... That's interesting, maybe just having the invasion plan with a couple of spare DDs would draw their fleet in. I'll have to try it next time since every Philippines invasion I've done was a walk over and just ended up kicking the USA out of the one sea zone I want to fight in. Submarines are the only way to reliably get good peace terms these days, victory points just don't seem to matter as much as starving them out on unrestricted warfare. |
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Post by mycophobia on Jul 10, 2019 1:02:31 GMT -6
I think it’s a issue with Japan against all European nation besides Russia in general. The AI does not seem to understand the need to conduct a campaign across multiple zones in which they do not/only have limited base.
I’ve raised this issue but not with regard to us, though I have observed the behaviour OP described as well. US function fine against European power like France, which I suspect is due to the one sea zone difference between their home region, allowing ai to make these 1 zone sorties before retreating to the comfort of their bases. Similarly UK have little issue with fighting AH or Italy, but rarely sends large fleet against Japan.
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Post by dizzy on Jul 10, 2019 1:26:03 GMT -6
mycophobia do you think adding possession value and or base value to Hawaii would help? Do AI place more ships in zones like that? I don't think so, because I don't see significant naval presence of UK ships in Indian Sea zone. Hrmmmm.
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Post by mycophobia on Jul 10, 2019 1:35:24 GMT -6
mycophobia do you think adding possession value and or base value to Hawaii would help? Do AI place more ships in zones like that? I don't think so, because I don't see significant naval presence of UK ships in Indian Sea zone. Hrmmmm. I don’t think I’ve ever seen ai devote large force to non-home zones for any extended time. What seems to happen is that a lot of ai fleet ends up juggling between UK mainland and their Far East colony, I imagine the same happens with US. Russia is the only one that behaves differently, I suspect while base capacity might matter, it might also be that Russia Far East is recognized as a home zone?(but making Hawaii a home zone will make it unconquerable, which have problems of its own I suppose.) In any case, base capacity, if it matters, will only direct massive AI force over if it happens to be in your home zone( as seen with Russia more than willing to bring their entire fleet to japan). UK does not do this with SEA despite the having more than enough base. (But they do send more stuff there than say, US would to Hawaii, for whatever reason) I think there are too many possibilities for this issue, but it may be good to raise this in the suggestion or arguably even bug section to get the team’s attention. Edit: actually, it occcured to me maybe AI is willing to send fleet only if it perceived threat in the immediate zone, and not the adjacent zone. That is why UK garrison SEA, though with limited force, but almost never defends India. Outside of that scenario, it will conduct strikes into player held zone(US more than happy to go to Europe), but somehow fails to execute this over long distance. Russia exception can either be explained due to their huge fleet basing ability in Japanese home waters, which also obviously have the most japanese presence when compared to SEA, or due to the fact that Russia Far East likely count as a home region for them, causing different behaviour. |
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Post by alsadius on Jul 10, 2019 8:09:44 GMT -6
I've seen the UK move the bulk of their fleet to the Med a few times as Italy, so they're willing to leave home zones. Likewise, I've seen them move small-ish forces, like a few BCs with screen, as far away as SEA (where I have a colony). But it's clearly not good enough for serious warfare - I've heard that playing as Japan is frustrating, because you never get fights, and this seems to bear that out.
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