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Post by revillag on Aug 19, 2019 16:13:08 GMT -6
I have a few questions about blockades. I am playing as USA, am allied with Germany, and in a war with France.
1) How do I know which sea zones I need to blockade? Is it Northern Europe or the Mediterranean?
2) What ratio of blockade points do I need to begin a blockade?
3) How do I determine how many blockade points a ship generates?
4) Since I have no bases in Europe, will my ships use allied bases (in Northern Europe in this example as neither of us has bases in the Mediterranean)?
Thanks
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Post by aeson on Aug 19, 2019 16:32:04 GMT -6
1) How do I know which sea zones I need to blockade? Is it Northern Europe or the Mediterranean? The sea zone you need superiority in to enforce a blockade is always the Build Area, listed in the Almanac under 'Nation Data.' For France, Russia, Germany, Britain, and Spain, that's Northern Europe; for the USA, it's the North American East Coast; for Italy and Austria-Hungary, the Mediterranean; and for Japan, Northeast Asia.
1.1:1
If I recall correctly, ships are worth fleet strength points as follows:
BB: 12
BC: 10
B: 9
CA:6 CL: 4
DD: 1 KE: 0
I don't know what CVs and CVLs are worth, and I don't recall if AMCs count.
Ships in the Reserve Fleet or in Mothballs do not count towards blockade strength.
Half of the total Allied base capacity counts towards your effective base capacity in a sea zone.
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Post by mycophobia on Aug 19, 2019 16:36:56 GMT -6
To add to 2) above, the actual amount required is dependent on nation, with Russia requiring less than 1.1 to blockade, and UK requiring more. I don't have the exact number on top of my heads tho.
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Post by aeson on Aug 19, 2019 17:00:20 GMT -6
To add to 2) above, the actual amount required is dependent on nation, with Russia requiring less than 1.1 to blockade, and UK requiring more. I don't have the exact number on top of my heads tho. If you want to check the modifier for each nation, it's the BlockadeModifier line in the nation file (BNat.dat for standard nations, *.nat for custom nations; any text editor should be able to read them), with the number being in tenths so e.g. BlockadeModifer=8 represents a nation with 80% of the normal blockade strength.
Standard nations with modified blockade strengths:
Austria-Hungary 90% Great Britain 120% Russia 80% Japan 110%
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Post by revillag on Aug 19, 2019 17:08:11 GMT -6
1.1:1
If I recall correctly, ships are worth fleet strength points as follows:
BB: 12
BC: 10
B: 9
CA:6 CL: 4
DD: 1 KE: 0 I don't know what CVs and CVLs are worth, and I don't recall if AMCs count. Ships in the Reserve Fleet or in Mothballs do not count towards blockade strength. Currently in Northern Europe, the map shows the following forces: Great Britain ships: 6 B, 2 CA, 3 CL, 9 DD, 2 KE (85) France ships: 8 B, 2 CA, 2 CL, 19 DD, 2 KE (105) Russia ships: 13 B, 7 CA, 4 CL, 15 DD (36) Germany ships: 13 B, 3 CA, 11 CL, 29 DD, 1 KE (90) Calculating on the formula above, the Fleet Values should be GB (87), Fr (111), R (190), and Gr (208) According to the formula, France should be blockaded, but it is not. Is the map counting ships in repair, reserve or mothball status? Is that why the numbers don't match? |
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Post by aeson on Aug 19, 2019 17:38:21 GMT -6
Currently in Northern Europe, the map shows the following forces: Great Britain ships: 6 B, 2 CA, 3 CL, 9 DD, 2 KE (85) France ships: 8 B, 2 CA, 2 CL, 19 DD, 2 KE (105) Russia ships: 13 B, 7 CA, 4 CL, 15 DD (36) Germany ships: 13 B, 3 CA, 11 CL, 29 DD, 1 KE (90) Calculating on the formula above, the Fleet Values should be GB (87), Fr (111), R (190), and Gr (208) According to the formula, France should be blockaded, but it is not. Is the map counting ships in repair, reserve or mothball status? Is that why the numbers don't match? The summary of ships present by type includes ships in MB and RF status, but not those under repair or refit. Also, the number in parenthesis at the end of the summary is the fleet strength that the computer considers to be present in the sea zone and does not include ships under repair or in RF/MB status.
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Post by sloanjh on Aug 19, 2019 21:00:11 GMT -6
1) How do I know which sea zones I need to blockade? Is it Northern Europe or the Mediterranean? The sea zone you need superiority in to enforce a blockade is always the Build Area, listed in the Almanac under 'Nation Data.' For France, Russia, Germany, Britain, and Spain, that's Northern Europe; for the USA, it's the North American East Coast; for Italy and Austria-Hungary, the Mediterranean; and for Japan, Northeast Asia.
1.1:1
If I recall correctly, ships are worth fleet strength points as follows:
BB: 12
BC: 10
B: 9
CA:6 CL: 4
DD: 1 KE: 0
I don't know what CVs and CVLs are worth, and I don't recall if AMCs count.
Ships in the Reserve Fleet or in Mothballs do not count towards blockade strength.
Half of the total Allied base capacity counts towards your effective base capacity in a sea zone.
On 3) A couple of nuances in RtW2: A) I'm pretty sure the numbers change with time. Sometime after BB come in, B drop to 5 (don't remember if they start at 9 or not, but it sounds right). Not sure if that's based on calendar or someone building a BB. B) In the early game, I'm 95% sure it's BB=14, BC=12, CA=5. CV are also 14 IIRC. In the late game (30s or 40s, after AI starts building CA again) I had CVL=6 and CA=6. C) I'm almost positive that TP ships do NOT count for the invasion ratio calculations (when ~1.3 came out the next war I started I had a bunch of zones in the Pacific that had only TP CL and got invaded all over) even though they show up in the mouse-over number. I'm strongly suspect that the same is true for blockade: that TP does NOT count. I'm pretty sure that R doesn't count for these either. |
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Post by revillag on Aug 21, 2019 18:18:25 GMT -6
Currently in Northern Europe, the map shows the following forces: Great Britain ships: 6 B, 2 CA, 3 CL, 9 DD, 2 KE (85) France ships: 8 B, 2 CA, 2 CL, 19 DD, 2 KE (105) Russia ships: 13 B, 7 CA, 4 CL, 15 DD (36) Germany ships: 13 B, 3 CA, 11 CL, 29 DD, 1 KE (90) Calculating on the formula above, the Fleet Values should be GB (87), Fr (111), R (190), and Gr (208) According to the formula, France should be blockaded, but it is not. Is the map counting ships in repair, reserve or mothball status? Is that why the numbers don't match? The summary of ships present by type includes ships in MB and RF status, but not those under repair or refit.
Also, the number in parenthesis at the end of the summary is the fleet strength that the computer considers to be present in the sea zone and does not include ships under repair or in RF/MB status.
So in the example above, several months into a war, Germany has over half its fleet in reserve or mothballs? Why haven't they activated all of their ships? |
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Post by swang on Aug 23, 2019 1:25:54 GMT -6
I've always thought that the number only includes those in AF. R, RF, TP, FS, MB and repair do not count. The displayed parenthetical numbers are the base ship values. They are then multiplied by their blockade efficiency, so, for GB, 85 * 1.2 = 102. which is not > 105 * 1 * 1.1 (or 116).
Are you at war with both France AND Germany? the ratio of ship points to ships seems about right for Germany if they are at peace and have a bunch of ships in MB or RF. Otherwise, I'd think something is wrong with their Bs.
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Post by revillag on Aug 24, 2019 16:02:51 GMT -6
I've always thought that the number only includes those in AF. R, RF, TP, FS, MB and repair do not count. The displayed parenthetical numbers are the base ship values. They are then multiplied by their blockade efficiency, so, for GB, 85 * 1.2 = 102. which is not > 105 * 1 * 1.1 (or 116). Are you at war with both France AND Germany? the ratio of ship points to ships seems about right for Germany if they are at peace and have a bunch of ships in MB or RF. Otherwise, I'd think something is wrong with their Bs. I am at war with France and Germany is my ally. |
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Post by swang on Aug 26, 2019 10:10:00 GMT -6
So, Germany should be getting blockaded, as they are both 1.0 blockade efficiency, and France has > 1.1 ratio. However, there are two things I do't know:
1) Are blockade for allies even possible?
2) If possible, are allied points added together for blockade calculation?
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Post by sloanjh on Aug 26, 2019 17:54:58 GMT -6
So, Germany should be getting blockaded, as they are both 1.0 blockade efficiency, and France has > 1.1 ratio. However, there are two things I do't know: 1) Are blockade for allies even possible? 2) If possible, are allied points added together for blockade calculation? On #2, when I'm at war with two enemies, it looks like their force points are NOT added together, but instead the two countries are treated independently. I base this on A) the fact that I'll sometimes get two "N points from blockading enemy" messages in the log even though I probably don't outnumber the sum of their points and B) sometimes I'll only get one message, presumably meaning I outnumbered one but not the other. I don't have a lot of friends allies  so I don't know about #1 or how #2 works when other countries are allied with you. Actually, now that I think of it, I've had allies in the past and don't remember one way or another what the effect on blockade was. |
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Post by aeson on Aug 26, 2019 18:43:06 GMT -6
1) Are blockade for allies even possible? Allies and co-belligerents can both blockade and be blockaded by your enemies.
I do not believe so.
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so I don't know about #1 or how #2 works when other countries are allied with you. Actually, now that I think of it, I've had allies in the past and don't remember one way or another what the effect on blockade was.