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Post by oldpop2000 on Oct 16, 2019 8:47:03 GMT -6
As everyone knows, I am a big fan of submarines for trade warfare. However, the term "coastal" submarine does not define the actual miles, and neither does medium range. Most of the submarines in post WW1 period through to the 1950's had ranges over 10,000 miles. Those were considered long range submarines. The German type IIA had a range of 1600 miles at 8 knots on the surface. So, do these ranges correspond to the definition of "Coastal" and "Medium"? Coastal being about 2000 miles and 10,000 miles being medium.
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Post by janxol on Oct 16, 2019 11:09:28 GMT -6
The range is not precisely defined, so its up to your head-canon to fill in the gaps. "Coastal submarine" would be a submarine larger than midget sub and smaller than ocean-going subs. Examples of those boats would include the German Type II, British H-class, or American Mackerel-class (that had a range of about 6500 miles). I suppose the exact range would be up to the submarine tech and year of construction. In-game coastal subs operate only in sea-zones where you have bases, and from what I see they often deploy quite close to the shore, I have found them be working exceptionally well in the Mediterrenean and Southeast Asia. MEdum submarines seem to be able to operate in any seazone, including ones where you dont have a base. That would suggest that medium range sub would be something like a type VII, Type IX or American fleet boat (Gato, Balao). Minelaying subs are medium range subs with additional capability of laying mines but having the same range.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Oct 16, 2019 12:41:42 GMT -6
The range is not precisely defined, so its up to your head-canon to fill in the gaps. "Coastal submarine" would be a submarine larger than midget sub and smaller than ocean-going subs. Examples of those boats would include the German Type II, British H-class, or American Mackerel-class (that had a range of about 6500 miles). I suppose the exact range would be up to the submarine tech and year of construction. In-game coastal subs operate only in sea-zones where you have bases, and from what I see they often deploy quite close to the shore, I have found them be working exceptionally well in the Mediterrenean and Southeast Asia. MEdum submarines seem to be able to operate in any seazone, including ones where you dont have a base. That would suggest that medium range sub would be something like a type VII, Type IX or American fleet boat (Gato, Balao). Minelaying subs are medium range subs with additional capability of laying mines but having the same range. If what you are stating is true, then I should build about two coastal submarines for each port that I have. Maybe three. This would provide me with enough protection for those ports. I will have to try that. |
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Post by janxol on Oct 16, 2019 13:26:50 GMT -6
The range is not precisely defined, so its up to your head-canon to fill in the gaps. "Coastal submarine" would be a submarine larger than midget sub and smaller than ocean-going subs. Examples of those boats would include the German Type II, British H-class, or American Mackerel-class (that had a range of about 6500 miles). I suppose the exact range would be up to the submarine tech and year of construction. In-game coastal subs operate only in sea-zones where you have bases, and from what I see they often deploy quite close to the shore, I have found them be working exceptionally well in the Mediterrenean and Southeast Asia. MEdum submarines seem to be able to operate in any seazone, including ones where you dont have a base. That would suggest that medium range sub would be something like a type VII, Type IX or American fleet boat (Gato, Balao). Minelaying subs are medium range subs with additional capability of laying mines but having the same range. If what you are stating is true, then I should build about two coastal submarines for each port that I have. Maybe three. This would provide me with enough protection for those ports. I will have to try that. I am also using the subs in "fleet support" mode quite a lot. In my current Japan game it was normal for me to have 3-5 subs in most battles in southeast asia. But as far as I know medium subs are also more effectvie as trade killers than coastal subs. |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Oct 16, 2019 15:39:53 GMT -6
If what you are stating is true, then I should build about two coastal submarines for each port that I have. Maybe three. This would provide me with enough protection for those ports. I will have to try that. I am also using the subs in "fleet support" mode quite a lot. In my current Japan game it was normal for me to have 3-5 subs in most battles in southeast asia. But as far as I know medium subs are also more effectvie as trade killers than coastal subs. I would like to use only a portion of my submarines for fleet support and the rest on trade warfare. |
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Post by aeson on Oct 16, 2019 19:44:28 GMT -6
I would like to use only a portion of my submarines for fleet support and the rest on trade warfare. No matter what submarine warfare policy you set, some of your submarines will always be used for fleet support. Fleet Support / Prize Rules / Unrestricted primarily affects how effective the anti-commerce operations are and how likely you are to get "one of your submarines sank a neutral liner" events. |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Oct 16, 2019 19:58:03 GMT -6
I would like to use only a portion of my submarines for fleet support and the rest on trade warfare. No matter what submarine warfare policy you set, some of your submarines will always be used for fleet support. Fleet Support / Prize Rules / Unrestricted primarily affects how effective the anti-commerce operations are and how likely you are to get "one of your submarines sank a neutral liner" events. Yes, I've seen that many times. But it is really a matter of luck. Is the battle in the operational area of a submarine and does the enemy in retreat pass through that area? Obviously the more submarines deployed, the better the chances of the battles occurring in a submarine's operational area. But I would like to be able to assign submarines to fleet support and the rest will be on trade warfare. |
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