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Post by brygun on Dec 6, 2019 8:03:27 GMT -6
Arizona conveniently being the name of the ghost ship in this bug.
The summary is that there is a ship showing up for my navy in the Almanac but not appearing in "ship's in service" nor "under construction" and with no war on there is no reason for an internment.
game version 1.13 though started in 1.12 (or earlier?)
Playing USA, non-historic incomes
Currently at peace,
recently scrapped all my CVLs
noticed a CVL is still appearing in the almanac but not in the fleet
To see the presence of the ship go to the Almanac -> USA Flag (player's fleet) -> Ship's tab
Scroll down to see the CVL Arizona as being in The Mediterranean.
Now look in the regular screen "Ships in service" and sort by type, name, location or displacement. Not found.
Also look in "ships under construction". Not found.
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Post by brygun on Dec 6, 2019 8:08:59 GMT -6
Observation:
Under air groups the CVL Arizona also appears with a status of (M).
I don't know what that M means. Mutiny?
M for Museum??
Would a museum ship still appear in the Almanac and air groups if its a carrier?
(pondering the ongoing daily air shows)
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Post by williammiller on Dec 6, 2019 12:54:04 GMT -6
Museum ship...sorta just like the USS Constitution its still kept on the 'official' active roll for the USN but obviously is not a ship that can be utilized.
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Post by brygun on Dec 6, 2019 14:17:10 GMT -6
So apparently one can provide airshows by putting a CVL on display. Lovely bit of fun. Think I will rename its squadron to "Thunderbirds"
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Post by Fredrik W on Dec 7, 2019 1:31:04 GMT -6
Yes, the Arizona is a museum ship. I admit that should be clearly stated in the ship summary. Will improve that. Thanks!
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Post by brygun on Dec 7, 2019 8:54:16 GMT -6
Yes, the Arizona is a museum ship. I admit that should be clearly stated in the ship summary. Will improve that. Thanks! And reassign it from the "air groups" taking up active planes and future version of planes. I could see the current historic airgroup being stored with a carrier but a museum CVL/CV should no longer be getting updated planes. Imagine a WW2 US Lexington having an update to F15, F18 and the Fsometime |
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Post by hawkeye on Dec 7, 2019 14:07:39 GMT -6
Yes, the Arizona is a museum ship. I admit that should be clearly stated in the ship summary. Will improve that. Thanks! And reassign it from the "air groups" taking up active planes and future version of planes. I could see the current historic airgroup being stored with a carrier but a museum CVL/CV should no longer be getting updated planes. Imagine a WW2 US Lexington having an update to F15, F18 and the Fsometime The Final Countdown II  |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Dec 7, 2019 15:35:29 GMT -6
Yes, the Arizona is a museum ship. I admit that should be clearly stated in the ship summary. Will improve that. Thanks! And reassign it from the "air groups" taking up active planes and future version of planes. I could see the current historic airgroup being stored with a carrier but a museum CVL/CV should no longer be getting updated planes. Imagine a WW2 US Lexington having an update to F15, F18 and the Fsometime Do you mean CV-2 or CV-16? |
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Post by aeson on Dec 7, 2019 16:35:12 GMT -6
And reassign it from the "air groups" taking up active planes and future version of planes. I could see the current historic airgroup being stored with a carrier but a museum CVL/CV should no longer be getting updated planes. Imagine a WW2 US Lexington having an update to F15, F18 and the Fsometime Do you mean CV-2 or CV-16? I'd guess that brygun means the Lexington-class aircraft carrier - "a Lexington" implies that Lexington is a type of thing rather than a specific thing - rather than either CV-2 or CV-16 specifically. That said, going by the length and breadth of the flight decks of the two classes, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the Lexingtons would have been about as capable of operating post-WWII aircraft as the Essexes were, had they been given similar modernizations, but the Navy didn't really need Saratoga when it had all those new Essexes either in service or nearing completion at the end of the Second World War and Lexington CV-2 had of course been sunk during the war.
I would also say that it does not seem unreasonable to me for a carrier-turned-museum-ship to have aircraft that it would not or could not have operated while it was in service - Midway and Intrepid are about as much naval aviation museums as they are aircraft carrier museums, and both museums exhibit aircraft which would most likely not have been on the carriers during their service lives; Intrepid even has a Space Shuttle on its flight deck and a Concorde on its pier. It's just something where the museum might get one or two for display purposes but wouldn't have anything like the priority that active service carriers would have for getting them, and the museum certainly wouldn't be getting enough modern aircraft to fully equip the air group it had supported in service.
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Post by brygun on Dec 7, 2019 16:42:56 GMT -6
Intrepid even has a Space Shuttle on its flight deck Space warfare research tree when? >_< |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Dec 7, 2019 17:25:09 GMT -6
Do you mean CV-2 or CV-16? I'd guess that brygun means the Lexington-class aircraft carrier - "a Lexington" implies that Lexington is a type of thing rather than a specific thing - rather than either CV-2 or CV-16 specifically. That said, going by the length and breadth of the flight decks of the two classes, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the Lexingtons would have been about as capable of operating post-WWII aircraft as the Essexes were, had they been given similar modernizations, but the Navy didn't really need Saratoga when it had all those new Essexes either in service or nearing completion at the end of the Second World War and Lexington CV-2 had of course been sunk during the war.
I would also say that it does not seem unreasonable to me for a carrier-turned-museum-ship to have aircraft that it would not or could not have operated while it was in service - Midway and Intrepid are about as much naval aviation museums as they are aircraft carrier museums, and both museums exhibit aircraft which would most likely not have been on the carriers during their service lives; Intrepid even has a Space Shuttle on its flight deck and a Concorde on its pier. It's just something where the museum might get one or two for display purposes but wouldn't have anything like the priority that active service carriers would have for getting them, and the museum certainly wouldn't be getting enough modern aircraft to fully equip the air group it had supported in service.
The F-14 never deployed on the Midway class carriers. They did perform tests but without stores to keep weight to a minimum. The real reason was because they could only takeoff with full military power, no afterburners. The jet blast deflectors were not designed to handle the blast of full AB. The other issue is the testing in the hangar of the full landing gear retraction and extraction. The tail was too high to perform this safely. In point of fact, there were aircraft available to perform multi-role missions. The F-14 was not until the F-14B, a multi-role aircraft. She could and did drop MK 82 bombs in the 90's but that was more like looking through the cockpit and using your Mark 1 eyeball. |
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