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Post by 13th Fleet on Jan 21, 2020 8:23:48 GMT -6
Now, can the developers come up with a build notification when I open a ship design, remove the BE and DE armor because AON has been made available but I forget to change the scheme to AON? It's a hard forehead slapper when three new BB's are built with no BE or DE and not actually AON protected? Yeah, I've done that for a decade or two's worth of heavy cruisers before.
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Post by brygun on Jan 21, 2020 9:53:10 GMT -6
On the carrier squadrons:
(moved to a suggestion thread as its a suggestion not so much a question now)
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Post by garychildress on Jan 21, 2020 12:26:37 GMT -6
I just started a game with Patch 1.15. I was fooling around designing a CA and I notice that I can equip up to 13" guns on it from the get-go of a 1900 start doing "manual build" of the legacy fleet. And when I check the design it says "All OK" and retains the category of CA. I don't see anything in the patch notes about a change to CA limits so I'm wondering if this is a bug or WAD--not that I particularly mind building super-death-star cruisers to start off my game, but just wondering if something is going on under the hood I should worry about before I start a new campaign with the 1.15 patch.
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Post by williammiller on Jan 21, 2020 12:32:39 GMT -6
I just started a game with Patch 1.15. I was fooling around designing a CA and I notice that I can equip up to 13" guns on it from the get-go of a 1900 start doing "manual build" of the legacy fleet. And when I check the design it says "All OK" and retains the category of CA. I don't see anything in the patch notes about a change to CA limits so I'm wondering if this is a bug or WAD--not that I particularly mind building super-death-star cruisers to start off my game, but just wondering if something is going on under the hood I should worry about before I start a new campaign with the 1.15 patch. I'll check, but I suspect its a bug - how many mounts in what config were mounted?
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Post by dorn on Jan 21, 2020 12:32:46 GMT -6
I just started a game with Patch 1.15. I was fooling around designing a CA and I notice that I can equip up to 13" guns on it from the get-go of a 1900 start doing "manual build" of the legacy fleet. And when I check the design it says "All OK" and retains the category of CA. I don't see anything in the patch notes about a change to CA limits so I'm wondering if this is a bug or WAD--not that I particularly mind building super-death-star cruisers to start off my game, but just wondering if something is going on under the hood I should worry about before I start a new campaign with the 1.15 patch. How many 13" guns did you design? 1 should be allowed as Japanese had one such ship.
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Post by williammiller on Jan 21, 2020 12:33:57 GMT -6
I just started a game with Patch 1.15. I was fooling around designing a CA and I notice that I can equip up to 13" guns on it from the get-go of a 1900 start doing "manual build" of the legacy fleet. And when I check the design it says "All OK" and retains the category of CA. I don't see anything in the patch notes about a change to CA limits so I'm wondering if this is a bug or WAD--not that I particularly mind building super-death-star cruisers to start off my game, but just wondering if something is going on under the hood I should worry about before I start a new campaign with the 1.15 patch. How many 13" guns did you design? 1 should be allowed as Japanese had one such ship. "Great minds think alike" Dorn!
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Post by garychildress on Jan 21, 2020 12:39:16 GMT -6
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Post by garychildress on Jan 21, 2020 12:59:42 GMT -6
In any case, it just came as a surprise to me because I used to only be able to put 10" guns max on a CA to start out. If I went with anything over 10" then it would reclassify my ship as a Battleship. However, I'm looking forward to this campaign now. I think I'll be super aggressive and pick some fights with the big boys now. LOL
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Post by aeson on Jan 21, 2020 13:03:02 GMT -6
Here's a pic of the ship. I settled for 12 inch as the building nation (Great Britain) had -2 13 inch guns but -1 12 inch: That's been legal since RTW1 - it's meant to model ships like the Japanese Tsukuba and Ibuki. Possibly it should be restricted to later in the game, but they're speed- and armor-limited (I think 22 knots with four main battery guns, 23 knots with 3 main battery guns, or any speed with 1 main battery gun, and no more than 6" or maybe 6.5" of armor or they get classed as battleships/battlecruisers/illegal designs) so they're not really that useful as a CA type once you can build them as battlecruisers instead. You're thinking of the CL special case to model Matsushima.
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Post by garychildress on Jan 21, 2020 13:07:29 GMT -6
Here's a pic of the ship. I settled for 12 inch as the building nation (Great Britain) had -2 13 inch guns but -1 12 inch: That's been legal since RTW1 - it's meant to model ships like the Japanese Tsukuba and Ibuki. Possibly it should be restricted to later in the game, but they're speed- and armor-limited (I think 22 knots with four main battery guns, 23 knots with 3 main battery guns, or any speed with 1 main battery gun, and no more than 6" or maybe 6.5" of armor or they get classed as battleships/illegal designs) so they're not really that useful as a cruiser type once you can build them as battlecruisers instead. I seem to recall being restricted in gun size to 10" max for CAs before this patch. Maybe I'm wrong. Also, this is starting a game in 1900. The ship classes you link to weren't laid down until January 1905 at the earliest.
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Post by garychildress on Jan 21, 2020 13:14:17 GMT -6
Here's the definition of a CA per the v.05 manual:
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Post by garychildress on Jan 21, 2020 13:16:50 GMT -6
But I'm not an expert on naval warfare so if those kinds of ships were possible in 1900 I'll take people's word for it. Like I say, it just came as a surprise to me at first.
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Post by garychildress on Jan 21, 2020 13:23:14 GMT -6
Here she is with 13" guns. I just had to dial down the ammo and the number of 7" secondaries to bring the weight back down to legal.
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Post by dorn on Jan 21, 2020 13:24:13 GMT -6
Here's she is with 13" guns. I just had to dial down the ammo and the number of 7" secondaries to bring the weight back down to legal. View AttachmentSo this a bug, it should not be possible. Or at least was not possible in RTW1. Advantage of 13" Q-2 over 12" Q-1 is questionable.
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Post by garychildress on Jan 21, 2020 13:33:54 GMT -6
Here's she is with 13" guns. I just had to dial down the ammo and the number of 7" secondaries to bring the weight back down to legal. Advantage of 13" Q-2 over 12" Q-1 is questionable. Yeah. The 13" Q-2 guns at that time have less range and less AP in some areas than the 12" Q-1 so I opted for the latter, however, over time I know the guns get better as technology advances and by 1905 the same 13" I put in may be better than the 12". Not sure, though. EDIT: Sorry, my bad, the 13" have slightly better AP than the 12", however, the 12" have considerably better range.
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