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Post by oldpop2000 on Mar 17, 2020 14:17:14 GMT -6
In 1912, the Bureau of Construction and Repair developed four drawings of the torpedo battleships. Here is my Japanese version of the torpedo battleship circa 1908 There are six submerged torpedo tubes and two above deck, if I counted correctly. I am going to do this design again, as time marches on. The actual US Navy drawings - www.shipscribe.com/styles/S-584/albums/s584-bt.htm
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Post by oldpop2000 on Mar 17, 2020 17:14:42 GMT -6
Here is another torpedo cruiser built on a Battle Cruiser design. This was one was built and is in the Japanese Navy. Just a note about my gaming. I going to use RTW2 as a test platform for strategies, ship and aircraft like the Naval War College would do and still does. I am having more fun doing this.
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Post by cv10 on Mar 17, 2020 18:12:42 GMT -6
I seem to recall someone posting a "torpedo battleship" design in the RTW I best designs thread. It had one 18-inch gun forward and as many torpedo tubes as could be crammed on it. It would be a rather novel concept.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Mar 17, 2020 18:25:16 GMT -6
Here is a 1920 British Torpedo Battle Cruiser
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Post by oldpop2000 on Mar 17, 2020 18:25:48 GMT -6
I seem to recall someone posting a "torpedo battleship" design in the RTW I best designs thread. It had one 18-inch gun forward and as many torpedo tubes as could be crammed on it. It would be a rather novel concept. I will have to find that, thanks. I am going to research the General Boards ideas about a torpedo battleship.
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Post by cv10 on Mar 17, 2020 19:30:31 GMT -6
I seem to recall someone posting a "torpedo battleship" design in the RTW I best designs thread. It had one 18-inch gun forward and as many torpedo tubes as could be crammed on it. It would be a rather novel concept. I will have to find that, thanks. I am going to research the General Boards ideas about a torpedo battleship. I should clarify: this was a design that they came up with for RTW I and was not (at least as far as I know) based on a design considered by an real life navy.
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Post by aeson on Mar 17, 2020 19:37:58 GMT -6
I seem to recall someone posting a "torpedo battleship" design in the RTW I best designs thread. It had one 18-inch gun forward and as many torpedo tubes as could be crammed on it. It would be a rather novel concept. Here's one by jwsmith26 in the RTW1 "Post your best ship designs here" thread, though it "only" has a 12" gun forward, not an 18" gun.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Mar 17, 2020 20:22:30 GMT -6
My research, such as it its, shows that the original idea came from the Naval War College possibly in their table games and research. The Bureau of Construction and Repair followed this up with four designs but there was little enthusiasm for the idea.
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Post by director on Mar 17, 2020 22:54:22 GMT -6
The Japanese actually did develop a light-cruiser with massive torpedo armament, the Kuma class. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_cruiserAs I recall they were fairly slow and not used in combat situations, being refitted as transports instead.
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Post by hawkeye on Mar 17, 2020 23:14:59 GMT -6
The Japanese actually did develop a light-cruiser with massive torpedo armament, the Kuma class. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_cruiserAs I recall they were fairly slow and not used in combat situations, being refitted as transports instead. The Kitakami was, however, hilarious in World of Warships before it was removed.
Still holds the title of "Only ship to sink more friendlies than enemies", lol.
Yeah, totally off topic.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Mar 18, 2020 8:04:54 GMT -6
The Japanese actually did develop a light-cruiser with massive torpedo armament, the Kuma class. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_cruiserAs I recall they were fairly slow and not used in combat situations, being refitted as transports instead. Here is more information on this ship, it was part of the Kuma class of cruisers that were supposed to be a torpedo-cruiser squadron to attack the US fleet at night during the interceptive operations. www.combinedfleet.com/kitakami_t.htm
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Post by director on Mar 18, 2020 8:24:51 GMT -6
I used to play... let me rephrase that thought. Forty years ago and more, friends and I played a lot of naval miniatures using the Alnavco Seapower rules. One of the ships with data listed was the Kitakami... Even now I remember that tingle I got when looking at those 40 torpedo tubes and wondering if they had reloads. Talk about a ship absolutely made for night combat in close waters!
But something must have not been right. They finished the torpedo rebuild on September 30, 1941 and were rebuilt as transports by August 1942, being torpedo cruisers for less than a year. Even their reduced armament was 24 tubes... but given that the Japanese never even tried her in night combat, something must have been seriously wrong. In Seapower, I seem to remember she had a top speed of something like 18-24 knots, which the Wiki does not agree with.
A casual search has not turned up any data as to why the ships were reduced in armament and refitted as fast transports, but given that it happened in less than a year it must have been critical.
From the official 'Tabular record of movement' as listed on Combined Fleet website: Sasebo. The modifications are completed, but only ten sets of Type 92 Model 3 quadriple mounts were available for installation, a total of 40 tubes. (Thanks, Oldpop - great minds may not think alike but yours and mine do LOL.)
I assume 'quadriple' is a typo and not some kind of ice cream, but... only ten sets? ONLY??
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Post by oldpop2000 on Mar 18, 2020 8:37:07 GMT -6
I used to play... let me rephrase that thought. Forty years ago and more, friends and I played a lot of naval miniatures using the Alnavco Seapower rules. One of the ships with data listed was the Kitakami... Even now I remember that tingle I got when looking at those 40 torpedo tubes and wondering if they had reloads. Talk about a ship absolutely made for night combat in close waters! But something must have not been right. They finished the torpedo rebuild on September 30, 1941 and were rebuilt as transports by August 1942, being torpedo cruisers for less than a year. Even their reduced armament was 24 tubes... but given that the Japanese never even tried her in night combat, something must have been seriously wrong. In Seapower, I seem to remember she had a top speed of something like 18-24 knots, which the Wiki does not agree with. A casual search has not turned up any data as to why the ships were reduced in armament and refitted as fast transports, but given that it happened in less than a year it must have been critical. From the official 'Tabular record of movement' as listed on Combined Fleet website: Sasebo. The modifications are completed, but only ten sets of Type 92 Model 3 quadriple mounts were available for installation, a total of 40 tubes. (Thanks, Oldpop - great minds may not think alike but yours and mine do LOL.) I assume 'quadriple' is a typo and not some kind of ice cream, but... only ten sets? ONLY?? Thanks for the complement, I have a granddaughter to babysit, so forget the "Great Mind". Anyway, I will check my book on the IJN.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Mar 18, 2020 8:38:15 GMT -6
As I have said, I am in the testing mode, its what I did for thirty-four years so its in the blood. I have started a game as Germany in 1900. Here are two of my torpedo warships: Attachments:
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Post by griffin01 on Mar 18, 2020 8:44:15 GMT -6
Here is a 1920 British Torpedo Battle Cruiser Personally, if I were to put torpedo tubes on a high-speed ship, I would put them on deck, as submerged tubes cannot fire at speeds ~20+ knots, if I recall correctly.
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