Superdreadnoughts

[attemptingsuccess]

To me it is weird is that there is no true superdreadnought era in the game. In real life the first dreadnoughts had 11-12 inch guns, whereas in game they often have 13 or 14 inch guns, which is just weird. To fix this I propose that there should be a "Superdreadnoughts" tech around 1910-1912 that allows -1+ quality guns to be mounted on ships. This allows you to still use 13 inch -2 quality guns, but not mount huge 14 inch guns on the first dreadnoughts, thus replicating the Superdreadnought era

[attemptingsuccess]

Date should probably be around 1909 now that I've done a little research.

[oldpop2000]

The term "super dreadnought" was not a well-defined term for the second generation of dreadnoughts. "Generally speaking, super-dreadnoughts avoided wing turrets, carrying guns in the centerline with super-firing turrets. Most super-dreadnoughts carried weapons heavier than twelve inches (although this varied from country to country) and had more advanced armor schemes. However, no one has successfully established a clear definition for the distinction." The Orion class of four dreadnoughts were considered the first "super dreadnoughts". 

I don't believe it is a worthwhile term.

[attemptingsuccess]

My point was more to limit early dreadnoughts to 12 inch or less guns because it is ridiculous that a good number of early dreadnoughts in game mount 13+ inch guns. I am trying to inject a little bit of historical accuracy into the game.

[oldpop2000]

Feb 23, 2022 17:45:35 GMT -6 attemptingsuccess said:

My point was more to limit early dreadnoughts to 12 inch or less guns because it is ridiculous that a good number of early dreadnoughts in game mount 13+ inch guns. I am trying to inject a little bit of historical accuracy into the game.

I understand your point but remember this game is "virtual" history. The 13.5inch guns for the Orion class were designed in 1909 and used in 1912. The US had 13inch guns in 1895. Other nations had 13.5 to 14inch guns around the same period mostly 1914. The issue is that it varied as it should in the game. Historically there were other issues about using those larger guns like the loading system, turret construction etc. Your idea is good, we should try to put a little historical accuracy in the game, I have always supported and voiced my opinion that historical accuracy should be important. But there is nothing wrong with a little "virtual history". Basically, the game should develop a balance.

[attemptingsuccess]

I was thinking that guns greater than 12 inch gun that are of -2 quality should be permitted on battleships to represent this, thus superdreadnoughts would allow -1 or greater quality guns to be used. That is what I think the balance should be.

[oldpop2000]

Feb 23, 2022 19:38:00 GMT -6 attemptingsuccess said:

I was thinking that guns greater than 12 inch gun that are of -2 quality should be permitted on battleships to represent this, thus superdreadnoughts would allow -1 or greater quality guns to be used. That is what I think the balance should be.

The problem, as I see it, is that ships are systems, systems. Armament is important, so is propulsion, fire control, damage control. It goes on and on. It isn't just about how big the guns are. You need to have the complete system to support those guns. -2, or 0 or whatever is useless with all the systems working together to get those guns into position to fire and good fire control to hit the target. This is what it is all about. I understand your position but widen your scope. 

[TheOtherPoster]

Feb 23, 2022 19:38:00 GMT -6 attemptingsuccess said:

I was thinking that guns greater than 12 inch gun that are of -2 quality should be permitted on battleships to represent this, thus superdreadnoughts would allow -1 or greater quality guns to be used. That is what I think the balance should be.

I agree. 13" (-2) could be available to 1890s ships and the legacy fleet. After 1900, more modern 12" (-1) would be available with higher range and ROF (so the 12" gun delivers a heavier punch on a given time).
Modern 13" And 14" (-1) guns would follow in the 1910s