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Post by vonfriedman on Nov 16, 2022 4:50:34 GMT -6
I am looking for the correct naming of naval formations at the time of WW1 and WW2.
In the Regia Marina the term squadriglia was used for destroyers, divisione for major units and squadra for a set of several divisioni and supporting squadriglie.
I think I know the corresponding terms used in the Royal Navy, the USNavy, the Kriegsmarine and perhaps also the French Navy, while I don't know the exact terms used in the Japanese and Russian navies.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Nov 16, 2022 8:10:57 GMT -6
I am looking for the correct naming of naval formations at the time of WW1 and WW2. In the Regia Marina the term squadriglia was used for destroyers, divisione for major units and squadra for a set of several divisioni and supporting squadriglie. I think I know the corresponding terms used in the Royal Navy, the USNavy, the Kriegsmarine and perhaps also the French Navy, while I don't know the exact terms used in the Japanese and Russian navies. For Japan, try Nihon Kaigun. For Russia, try www.naval-history.net/xGW-RussianNavy1914-1918.htmpacific.valka.cz/forces/ijn/194112.htmI will help, just provide more defined requirements. |
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Post by vonfriedman on Nov 17, 2022 2:43:13 GMT -6
I wonder if for the Japanese Imperial Navy it makes sense to establish these equivalences:
Senkan-tai = Battleship division
Junyokan-tai = Cruiser division
Kuchiku-tai = Destroyer flotilla
PS I am striving to create a fictional but credible SAI campaign based on the Orange Plan, starting 7 December 1921 with Japanese landing on the Philippines. Although the theater of operations is limited to an area including Formosa, the Philippines, Palau, the distances are very large.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Nov 17, 2022 7:53:43 GMT -6
I wonder if for the Japanese Imperial Navy it makes sense to establish these equivalences: Senkan-tai = Battleship division Junyokan-tai = Cruiser division Kuchiku-tai = Destroyer flotilla PS I am striving to create a fictional but credible SAI campaign based on the Orange Plan, starting 7 December 1921 with Japanese landing on the Philippines. Although the theater of operations is limited to an area including Formosa, the Philippines, Palau, the distances are very large. Read this Naval Review Document, maybe it can help. I have more data from other sources. Japanese Naval Preparations for World War II.pdf (229.03 KB) |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Nov 17, 2022 12:09:21 GMT -6
Hope this helps: The Japanese Navy’s fleet organization as of the outbreak of war was as follows: 2 BBs of 1st Battleship Div. CinC of the 1st Fleet 2nd Battleship Div. (4 BBs) under direct command of CinC 2nd Battleship Div. (4 BBs) under direct command of CinC 3rd Battleship Div. (4 BBs) 6th Cruiser Div. (4 CAs) 1st Destroyer Squadron (1 CL and 4 DD Divs.) 3rd Destroyer Squadron (1 CL and 4 DD Divs.) 3rd Carrier Div. (2 CVLs and 1 DD Div.) 4th Cruiser Div. (4 CAs) 5th Cruiser Div. (4 CAs) 7th Cruiser Div. (4 CAs) 8th Cruiser Div. (2 CAs) 2nd Destroyer Sqdn. (1 CL and 4 DD Divs.) 4th Destroyer Sqdn. (1 CL and 4 DD Divs.) 16th Cruiser Div. (1 CA and 2 CLs) under direct command of CinC 17th Minelayer Div. (3 Minelayers) 5th Destroyer Sqdn. (1 CL and 2 DD Divs.) 18th Cruiser Div. (3 CLs) under direct command of CinC 21st Cruiser Div. (2 CLs) under direct command of CinC 22nd Cruiser Div. (2 converted cruisers) 1st Carrier Div. (2 CVs and 1 DD Div.) 2nd Carrier Div. (2 CVs and 1 DD Div.) 4th Carrier Div. (1 CVL and 1 DD Div.) 5th Carrier Div. (2 CVs and 1 DD Div.) This list is edited from the original. It is actual data from IJN documents. Suggestion: keep warships together from the same class and speed. Don't put fleet carriers with escorts or converted carriers. Same with BB's, CA's, CL's and tin cans. Remember that the speed of the fleet moves at the speed of the slowest ship. Update: pacific.valka.cz/forces/ijn/1941.htm |
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Post by vonfriedman on Nov 18, 2022 3:07:14 GMT -6
In my fictional campaign (1921-23) the Japanese fleet would be composed of the BBs of the Fuso and Ise classes, the BCs of the Kongo class and - after a few months - the BBs of the Nagato class plus some older ships (Settsu, etc.). There would be no modern CA yet, and the number of CLs and DDs is also lower than in 1941. Given the limitations of SAI, there is no aircraft carrier.
USNavy is expected to progressively reinforce the Asian fleet with modern BBs, so that battles take place in the waters around the Philippines. The game goes on fairly well, from the point of view of the human player, although the realism is questionable.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Nov 18, 2022 9:27:39 GMT -6
In my fictional campaign (1921-23) the Japanese fleet would be composed of the BBs of the Fuso and Ise classes, the BCs of the Kongo class and - after a few months - the BBs of the Nagato class plus some older ships ( Settsu, etc.). There would be no modern CA yet, and the number of CLs and DDs is also lower than in 1941. Given the limitations of SAI, there is no aircraft carrier. USNavy is expected to progressively reinforce the Asian fleet with modern BBs, so that battles take place in the waters around the Philippines. The game goes on fairly well, from the point of view of the human player, although the realism is questionable. It appears that everything is going well. Here is something that might help. First War Plan Orange and Japanese Defense ....pdf (225.12 KB) |
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