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Post by riowcaztoljp on Jun 29, 2023 22:35:05 GMT -6
Almost at the end of my gameplay. How to get Vertical Launching System (VLS), is there any? or it's not invented yet at 1970?
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Post by williammiller on Jun 30, 2023 10:48:29 GMT -6
VLS was not quite yet a mature tech before 1970, so it was not included.
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Post by dracfan on Jul 8, 2023 22:29:49 GMT -6
The USS Ticonderoga, CG-47 was laid down in Jan 1980 and finished in Apr 1981. The first 5 of the class were 'Twin Arm Bandit Boats' ie Mk 26 Launchers.
In reality, even the Mk 26 is outside the scope of this game. The Virginia class nuke cruisers were the first to have them in the early 70s. I think...
I think 1984-85 were the start of the VLS boats...
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Post by fronstermog on Aug 7, 2023 22:55:23 GMT -6
To be entirely fair, VLS is arguably most useful in large SAM-AShM engagements. Think of red Storm Rising, etc. As the game doesn't really reach a point where SAMs can swat anti ship missiles, it's almost besides the point.
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Post by director on Aug 28, 2023 9:39:42 GMT -6
Was VLS first used in US or Soviet navies?
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Post by williammiller on Aug 28, 2023 18:27:53 GMT -6
Well, it sorta depends upon how you wish to define a 'VLS' system. I would argue that a true VLS system can have different weapons loaded as needed in each cell, not simply a 'vertically-oriented below-deck launcher' for a particular weapon system.
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Post by ieshima on Aug 30, 2023 13:25:53 GMT -6
Was VLS first used in US or Soviet navies? The Soviets first used VLS on several heavily modified Zulu class boats in 1956. The US introduced George Washington in 1959. |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Aug 30, 2023 14:46:16 GMT -6
Almost at the end of my gameplay. How to get Vertical Launching System (VLS), is there any? or it's not invented yet at 1970? I would not be too enthusiastic about VLS systems.
1. Once all the missiles have been expended, it is almost impossible to reload except at the base.
2. An explosion in one of the cells can destroy the whole missile system.
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Post by brygun on Sept 15, 2023 13:14:26 GMT -6
Almost at the end of my gameplay. How to get Vertical Launching System (VLS), is there any? or it's not invented yet at 1970? I would not be too enthusiastic about VLS systems.
1. Once all the missiles have been expended, it is almost impossible to reload except at the base.
2. An explosion in one of the cells can destroy the whole missile system.
Greetings oldpop2000, interesting chats as always. I looked at the VLS on the general principle of having the missiles fired directly out of the magazine. So its no much you need to reload as you can fire all of them. The launcher arrangements took certain mass and small amount of deck space. In comparison VLS used much more deck space but saved on the weight of the launcher and reload mechanism. There is also changes in the armoring in that the VLS is an exposed magazine on the top side. Though the hatches may be armored its not the same as a rail launcher being able to have options like mid-path hatches as more protection. However given the lethality of even a single hit to the whole ship it does equate better to have options for launching more defense missiles rapidly. Regarding reloading at sea implies missiles for rail systems could have their missiles transferred at sea to the ship for reloading the magazine. Do you have an example for rail missile cruisers? Pondering I believe the carriers could get more munitions for their air wing so a CV-TR would exist. |
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Post by thorthemighty on Oct 17, 2023 12:47:49 GMT -6
The USS Ticonderoga, CG-47 was laid down in Jan 1980 and finished in Apr 1981. The first 5 of the class were 'Twin Arm Bandit Boats' ie Mk 26 Launchers. In reality, even the Mk 26 is outside the scope of this game. The Virginia class nuke cruisers were the first to have them in the early 70s. I think... I think 1984-85 were the start of the VLS boats... The Ticos and Virginias though weren't the first ships in the USN to have Twin-Arm Launchers, the RIM-8 Talos and RIM-2 Terrier systems were twin arm missile systems it must be noted. Though those launchers compared to the Mark 26 weren't spectacular...the Mark 11, which was the Twin-Arm System for the Terriers were replaced by Mark 13 Single Arm Launchers on the Charles F. Adams class...to be fair, the Mark 13 was quicker for firing and it could launch Harpoons as well. |
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Post by xxpu69yslayerxx on Nov 3, 2023 11:09:12 GMT -6
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Post by brygun on Nov 25, 2023 22:50:15 GMT -6
uhh reading that thread... your finding evidence against putting it in RTW3 "The VLS system equipped on the Admiral Ushakov was the newly designed P-700 Granit - NATO: SS-N-19 Shipwreck - a new missile developed throughout the 1970s with the hope of combating the advanced naval prowess of the American’s Navy." The game ends 1970... so no. >>>> on other chat: VLS means, at least to me, the one missile straight out of the storage box. Thus the 1 or 2 rail missile launchers aren't VLS. Those come out of a magazine onto a launching rail which then pivots and tilts for initial launch (pitch-yaw). VLS has improved electronics that the missile comes out vertically, hence the name VLS, and then the missile figures out what pitch-yaw to do. |
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Post by tbr on Dec 1, 2023 17:10:30 GMT -6
You also need to differentiate a bit. The early Soviet "VLS" is an upright revolver, conceptually very much like a slim Tartar/Terrier launcher with a vertical only rail that is recessed into the deck. Nevertheless that meant for some designs that several (IIRC up to six) launchers could be positioned in/on/under a deck space only 1.5 times larger than the space for a Mark 26 twin arm system. But I doubt that effective rate of fire was anywhere close to three times that of a Mk 26 and would not be surprised if overall number of missiles was not significantly higher. Those revolvers waste a lot of below deck space compared to a modern Mk41, let alone a Mk54 VLS.
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